CCW and FRA'S

Mindtracker... I totally agree with matter of not engaging in open carry nut, alas, too many do so.

The problem I have is with your statement of "lawyers" in the forum attacking you again. You seem to have a settled aggresive attitude in this forum and you project that attitude in an adversarial manner in the way you phrase your posts.

I haven't seen where anyone attacked you and I resent the manner in which you characterized "lawyers" on the forum; especially since I consider myself as quite learned in the laws governing bail and bail arrest.

If you feel you are discriminated against you are very wrong. If you have an issue with a forum member then I suggest you take it up with that member privately.

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Lance Allen Wilkinson
Recoveries by L.A.W.
Serving since 1984
“What is sought is found... what is overlooked escapes” (Oedipus Rex)

The decision to carry open or concealed greatly depends on the area of operation in question. A thorough study of the laws of the state where one is working will dictate the best course of action.

In California, for example, CCW permits are very difficult to obtain and, arguably, impossible if one states that it will be used for BE work. One could even argue that a police chief or sheriff CCW issued permit would be immediately revoked if the issuing agency found out that it was being used for BE work.

Many BEAs in California operate under a penal code exception or a BSIS open carry permit while making or attempting to make a lawful arrest.

To blanket state that one should carry concealed while working is provincial when not considering dozens of other variables, and new people may get the wrong impression depending on the state in question.

Therefore, I would suggest that pro-concealed carry statements include which area of operation the statement is intended for.

Rex

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River City Associates
Decatur, Al. 35601

HEY MINDTRACKER,

I DESERVE CREDIT TOO SINCE BEING THE ONLY FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR THERE I ANSWERED THE FIREARMS CARRY QUESTIONS FOR THE PANEL WHEN JOE ASKED ME TO. BUT ITS COOL JUST GIVING A BROTHER BEA A HARD TIME FOR FORGETTING ME BUT QUOTING MY ANSWERS...BUT I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU.

You are correct sir: You did make a significant contribution and I was remiss in my postings in not giving you proper credit for it. I do so humbly apologize.

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River City Associates
Decatur, Al. 35601

In an earlier post by Rex:

Many BEAs in California operate under a penal code exception or a BSIS open carry permit while making or attempting to make a lawful arrest.


Because there were many who questioned the practice of carrying open in California with a Bureau of Secuirty and Investigative Services (BSIS) exposed security guard card, I received an official clarification from the BSIS on July 28, 2006.

It states:

"The guard registration and firearm permit are valid only when the holder is performing the duties of a security guard. The permits are not valid when the holder is acting as a BFRA."

So, the only option left is to get a CCW for self protection while doing recovery work or to carry under CPC 12031(k).

If any CA agent would like a copy of the letter please email with your fax number.

All of this crap could be addressed by a federal bea license--I know the old line never happen open a can of worms etc but if every one of us contacted their federal senators and reps you know we would get heard--i have already spoken to mine and both say they would be willing to work with us if we could get others to say ok we could get off the ground

I agree.

But here in the Peoples Republic of California, our 2 senators are so anti gun that neither would support giving any private citizen any gun rights.

Our senior senator, Diane Feinstein, is very anti gun except for her own AK that she owns and the ones that her body guards carry.

If you missed it, her hometown of San Francisco, voted to ban ALL private ownership of guns. The only exception were for leo's and licensed security guards. So, far the NRA and others have the implementation of that law on hold.

Even residents with CCW's would not be allowed to own or carry their weapons into S.F. if the law goes into effect.

I have a pointed question for any active agent in DE, Is it not true that the DE State police have and offer the required training in DE, issue a badge for the bea and require you to be armed when plying your craft?

Their opinion is that you should not be a danger to them should they assist you, but a viable, trained and qualified back up or investigator.

Having seen the sheild from a student in one of the classes I taught, please correct me if I am wrong.

Scott

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R.E. "Scott" MacLean III

"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"

Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
Chesapeake Bail Bonds
877-574-0500
301-392-1100 (fax)
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it was cool to reminisce when this post was brought to the fore front as two of the posters are no longer with us. At the very least, their writings live on.


Scott

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R.E. "Scott" MacLean III

"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"

Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
Chesapeake Bail Bonds
877-574-0500
301-392-1100 (fax)
301-392-1900 (Office)