LESS THAN LETHAL

Brak326....... I did a fast check and came up with this right off the bat. I think you should look into this a little better with our N.J. laws being so strict. My apologies if i'm incorrect but this could create another blunder to our business, not to mention hefty lawyers fees protecting yourself if you have a problem with the wrong police dept or target.

Residents of New Jersey can buy bb guns through a designated local gun store after acquiring an Airgun Permit.
Cite from New Jersey law: "A 'firearm' means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, air gun, gas gun, machine gun, or 'any gun'."

Regardless of the particular laws in your area, there are several things you should do as a responsible paintball player:

Never play paintball on land you do not have the permission of the owner to play on. THIS INCLUDES PUBLIC LAND like parks, state forests, etc. If you don't have permission to play from the owner of the land you are on, you are not allowed to play there, public land or otherwise.
When transporting a paintball marker, dissassemble the marker to the greatest degree possible, and always do so with the marker unloaded. Remove the hopper, barrel, and air tank, if possible, and make sure no paint remains in the chamber.
Never carry a paintball marker in plain sight in public areas. Not everyone will recognize a paintball marker at first glance. If you need to take your marker from point A to point B, put it in a bag or carrying case.
Avoid having a paintball marker in the passenger section of your car.
Shooting any non-participant with a paintball marker is assault! - While this should be obvious to everyone, there are always a stupid few out there who have to ruin it for everyone else, so just to make things clear: Never shoot anyone with a paintball marker who is not wearing proper paintball safety equipment and participating in or officiating a paintball game. Doing so is assault and carries a multi-year prison sentence. Paintball players everywhere will cheer when they lock you up.

sorry for any inconvenience but i forgot to mention to mention that i had to be certified by the pepperbal company (taken thier course) to be able to use thier gun

Hadley,

Whatabout carrying a box of those paper jump suits and some plastic bags to put contaminated clothing in? I don't think this idea will work for female skips however.

Paint Markers: It is important to consider where the Marker is at on a chronograph. In may AO, Markers that exceed 280 feet per second are considered "Hot" on most fields and can get a player kicked off until the marker is at or within the 280.

Also, a direct hit to a skip's eye area may result in serious injury or death.

Finally, what happens if a pepperball gets pulverized when a Marker misfires? Who gets the dose?

Rex

We all need to remember that a women was killed last year by police in Boston during the World Series celebration by a pepperball. The city settled the case out of court in record time, they settled the case this spring to the tune of 5 million.

any and all less lethal can turn lethal in a second or with incorrect application-- batons have killed tasers have killed even oc has killed --we all need to be very careful and vigilente in the use of less lethal--less lethal does not replace good planning--again less lethal should be used when the ca-ca hits the fan and you need time to regroup- not to bring down an escaping skip remember all violence should be in a defense mode only none should be offensive in nature

i agree with HGUNNER 100% he is right

I absolutely agree with HGUNNER- I would only use force in defense. I am of the Bob Burton school of reason.

I am required to operate in the use of force continuum. I have to take building entry and room clearing classes. The shotgun would never be pointed at someone unless I was having to use it.

So what about big dogs that the skip lets loose on you?

I am going to be filling a big void when I get licensed. I have had many conversations with former county deputies who HATE bounty hunters. Knowing this, I had a meeting with the chief civil deputy (warrants, jail) and told him how I was planning to operate. He already gave me clearance with the jail to bring in prisoners.

I am a minister in the city, and cannot afford to be seen as a BOUNTY HUNTER. The shotgun with be held in the low, ready for dogs or trouble. I'm hoping if a guy sees the shotgun he will hold off dogs, not wanting them to get blasted. I would never brandish a weapon to intimidate people, unless we were going after a guy with a record of shooting people.

RHINO

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I prefer the low profile approach. There is a lot of talk about carrying a shotgun, why? In some cases yes but as a standard.... no. I only carry my shotgun when out in the country on large pieces of property otherwise it is just my tazer, handgun, baton, pepper spray, cuffs and leg irons. This to me is easier in houses when going around corners or checking closets and such, I would think that a shotgun would get in the way. Also when people see a shotgun the first impression is going to be what they already perceive us to be "Cowboys". I think you put people on the defensive if you approach with that kind of firepower and individuals on the defensive are very up-predictable. I prefer the low key for myself, when things start out low key it is much easier to maintain than trying to start out excessive and trying to bring it down to low key.

As you all know this is just my opinion and it works for me.

Rhino tactical planning should be your first thought -with your team -the day of the lone ranger bounty hunter are far gone this is now and always should be a team concern - i my opinion at least 3 people sokme will say 2 but i prefer 3 team members-with three members you can deal with almost anything that comes along including large dogs( I volunteer with rottwieler rescue groups and have recieved bites from poodles to mastiffs and most breeds inbetween-i own a 150lb male rottie that can crush a cows femur with ease and a 100lb female rott that thinks the family jewels are dog treats so i know what dogs can do)with a three person team you can plan for dogs(pepper sprays are a first line of defense against dogs not shotguns) for resistance for etc-I repeat again shotguns are not primary weapons in our context-they are great back up or tactical weapons but in my opinion they are a second line weapon in bea work

Rhino,

You seem convinced on carrying a shotgun strictly to intimidate your skips into custody. It doesn't work like that.

As has already been stated, a shotgun is a secondary weapon, not a primary.

Some things to consider:

1) Weight: A shotgun is heavy, cumbersome, and an issue in foot chases, fighting, or in cramped quarters searching for your fugitive.

2) Searches: What do you do with your shotgun while having to climb into attics, basements, rooftops, fireplaces, crawl spaces, tunnels, etc ?..It is not conducive in these situations.

3) Hand-to-hand combat: What if your skip decides to fight you ? Say you are holding your shotgun as you say, and he simply keeps coming at you and slugs you ?..you can't shoot him/her, esp. if they are unarmed. What will you do ? Say "Excuse me, Mr. fugitive, while I put my shotgun down and then we will fight ?"

Throughout your postings all I have read is you stating "I this" ; "I that"; I have not heard you mention working with at least a partner or a team. If you are going to do this solo, then I will tell you from first hand experience that carrying a shotgun is a NO-NO. You have to have both hands free for all of the reasons previously stated: fighting, running, or searching.

I also get the idea that you have not mentally resigned yourself to the fact that this is a DANGEROUS JOB. As Hadley and others have stated in other posts, many times, that this job will not suffer fools or amateurs.
You, we, us, all have to be prepared to engage in deadly force IF AND WHEN THE FUGITIVE FORCES THAT ISSUE.

Another consideration is what to do with the shotgun during interviews. Say you have a lead on your fugitive, you knock on the door, the residents answer, you begin to interview, and there you are holding this awesome , intimidating piece of firepower. Down here in the South, some of our DA's have already told us that is a crime in itself. We can be charged simply for resting our hands on our sidearms on our belts during an interview. A sharp attorney introduced that into court as a "threatening and menacing gesture placing the people being questioned in severe fear of thier lives".

Again, as previously recommended by my counterparts here, I agree that you need to get some sort of BEA training, then self-train as the rest of us do by reading everything you can on this subject.

Several members here have written several books on this subject and you can find them on thier websites, in book stores, etc.

My own opinion, based on the impression I get from your postings, that you need training, you need experience with a true professional, and you need to come to terms with the possibility of having to actually kill someone in this field.

Again, like everyone else ends thier postings, this is simply my own opinion. But several of us have urged you to dismiss the idea of carrying a shotgun as a primary. I hope you can see the reasons why we are all suggesting this to you.

Take care and God Bless,

Ruffin.

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