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 Post subject: Business Ethics in our profession: "Bonding"
 Post Posted: Sun 01 Nov 2009 07:58 
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Bail Bonding is by its very nature, somewhat 'shady'... somewhat difficult to define as to exact activities or how to proceed in a given scenario. Interaction with others in the business is an every day occurrence and competition in our business is most often fierce and in your face. We deal with difficult people on both sides of the law and in many instances the rules of the trade do not even exist. Many state regulations are often cloudy and difficult to decipher.

Our group as a whole is made up of a tremendous array of different people... from the worst to the best; the most highly trained to the 'wanna-be' novice; from the very successful to the "holding on by the skin of their teeth"... and our interactions with each other and our clients is almost impossible to say the least, but I am of the opinion that there needs to be a "code of business ethics" between us... 'honor among thieves' if you will... because without it we loose much and gain little and with it, we gain self respect among the group and self respect with all the many other professionals that we deal with daily...

... so, having said all that...... here is where I am going with this........

Yesterday morning, around 2am, I got a call on a $7500 bond in one of the jails I work... the lady wanted to get her husband out and I was the only bondsman she could find 'that would answer the phone'... she had called two others with no answer, so I put it together and she said she wanted to do it in the morning around 9am. I told her I had another bond to write at 8am and it would probably be 11am before I could meet her but would call and let her know the time. She agreed. She called me again at 6am to verify that I was coming.... I said yes and I would call and let her know I was on my way when I finished with the first bond. She agreed.

I finished the first bond around 10am and headed for the other jail. I called the lady and told her I was on time and headed for her and would be there in about 20 minutes. She informed me that there was another bondsman at the jail that "told her he could do the bond right then"... I said that was up to her but I would appreciate it if she would do business with me since we had made the arrangement earlier and I would in fact be there shortly. She agreed.

Now the other bondsman is a long time acquaintance of mine... in fact, we got into the business together some 11 years ago. He formed his own organization and I did the same but we have remained "friends" and occasionally will split a bond. I also run his credit cards for him since he has never set up a credit card authorization line and I have... so we have had a personal and a business arrangement for some time and in fact, I have known this man for over 35 years. We partied together when we were younger... and our wives are best of friends.

The other bondsman, we will call him Sam, knew exactly who this lady had been talking to and also knew that I was on the way to do the bond and would arrive in a short time. Regardless of what the lady said to him and under the circumstances, I personally would have called the other bondsman to see what his plans were... but Sam wrote the bond and got out of town before I arrived... I passed him coming out of the little town... I called him and we had some words to say the least.

Here in lies the point of this thread.

This situation happens all the time as we all know. Bondman in today's financial, economical environment are falling all over each other trying to make a living and stay afloat. Even so, I am of the opinion that you work together and try to maintain a manner of "ethics" in our business dealing with not only the public as clients, but also with each other so that we can all remain civil and hold on to our self respect.

As I mentioned above... I would have called the other bondsman involved to find out exactly what the deal was on his end and would have told the client... "Ms. ------, lets give Mr. 'other bondsman' a chance to get here and take care of this for you since he has already started with you, this is only fair and I am not in the habit of taking another bondsman's business... now if he does not show up in a few minutes I will be glad to do the bond for you but lets give Mr.---- a chance"...

I have done this many times with other bondsmen and there are times when the other guy would tell me to go ahead and write it since he was tied up and other times he said he would be there shortly...

In either instance, you have gained a tremendous amount of respect from everyone involved and the bottom line is............ "IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO."

I might also mention that this scenario has happened between Sam and my daughter (the bondslady) several times in the past and he also does not have a very good rapport with LE in our AO. I have really tried to overlook it because of our past friendship but this is the 'straw'....

Needless to say that I am no longer having a relationship with the guy.... he is a snake in the grass and I will not deal with him again. Our friendship, if it ever really existed, is at an end.

...edited... what I would like to do and what I will do are at opposite ends of the spectrum... I will leave it at that.........

Ghee, that's not ethical, is it ????????? :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Business Ethics in our profession: "Bonding"
 Post Posted: Sun 01 Nov 2009 08:34 
 
Bill,
You're a man with good morals and ethics. This other guy is piece of crap. Growing up, my father always told me that "nice guys finish last, get used to finishing there." We all run into those people with no scruples what so ever. We just don't want to lower ourselves to their level. Those people that make it a habit to screw other people over almost always wind up on the bottom of the pile. I can't imagine shafting anyone to make a buck. I'd rather die broke with a good reputation. It would be great if there was a code of ethics, but people like your "ex friend" wouldn't follow them any way. Stick to your ethics, it makes you the reputable man you are!


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So, are we to take it that you will not be running his credit cards anymore? :twisted:


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I wouldn't :)

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 Post subject: Re: Business Ethics in our profession: "Bonding"
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You guys make me smile..... :mrgreen: ....... I can't wait.... I really can't imagine that he would call me to run one but frankly, knowing him....... he just might, but you know the answer.... You know I am still a childish kind of guy cause I was trying to figure out a way to get him to take a swing at me so I could pop him .... oh, it would give me such satisfaction but then... I guess I am too mature for that......... uh.... sort of.... but it's a nice thought.... hell, I am too old and fat .... but I still have fast hands and well.................... never mind... my wife says leave it alone...... she is so practical... but you guys know how I feel... :evil:

I could practice my karate moves... probably fall down in the process.... put a "Mae tobi geri" on his big azz.... well, maybe not one of those cause I can't jump now so maybe a ......... "Yoko geri".... I think I can still make that move fairly well........... mmmmmmmm. anyway, I will dream about that tonight.... :oops: :evil: :evil:

Just wait till I get my knees replaced........ hot dog......... look out........ I'll whip his azz and hit him over the head with my walker.......

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I do hope you all know this is 'tongue in cheek' ???

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Bill,
The shame of it is that we are our own worst enemy in this business. This is also why a code of ethics will not cure this situation. You have honor and integrity and act ethically or you don't, a piece of paper won't change things. The only way that would work is against you if he thinks you didn't treat him on the square.

People like this will always take advantage of the nice guy and I will bet you a dinner that he will call you to run a card for him. Don't be tempted to play dumb, run his card and make yourself scarce when he wants his money...:) you did have expenses involved, didn't you? Those companies all charge monthly fees and percentage of business, he should share in those expenses as well, if he is using your accounts.

As far as customers go, there is no loyalty in this business. We never meet customers at the jail, that way these situations don't occur. Meet them at a public place where they are easy to spot that is well lit so they are not fearful.

A piece of crap is a piece of crap, and polishing a turd is no fun, you get that stuff all over you!

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 Post subject: Re: Business Ethics in our profession: "Bonding"
 Post Posted: Sun 01 Nov 2009 19:05 
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Bill, it is near impossible to meet and maintain ethical contacts in our business. That is why we are so careful who we deal with, and who we maintain work with. It seems that eventually, those that do not maintain our ethics tend to get greedy, and it is time to say goodbye and let them be on their own. Most of the time we don't have to do anything to them, but let them fail by themselves.

I very well know that when there are hard feelings, it is easy to use your knowledge and experience to destroy another that has wronged you. It is very hard to stay quiet and let the person destroy themself, but sometimes that is the best action. When they go down, you may not can claim the glory, but you will know that you can't be blamed for their actions, or their demise. They did it to themselves. That is where you get your personal satisfaction. It may not make up for the wrong-doing, but your reputation remains intact, and theirs is destroyed. No matter how much you want or deserve revenge, you will be the one that suffers for your negative actions. Just know that your actions will prevail, and you will be the one that succeeds, and the one that we will call.

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Kathy wrote:
I very well know that when there are hard feelings, it is easy to use your knowledge and experience to destroy another that has wronged you. It is very hard to stay quiet and let the person destroy themself, but sometimes that is the best action. When they go down, you may not can claim the glory, but you will know that you can't be blamed for their actions, or their demise. They did it to themselves. That is where you get your personal satisfaction. It may not make up for the wrong-doing, but your reputation remains intact, and theirs is destroyed. No matter how much you want or deserve revenge, you will be the one that suffers for your negative actions. Just know that your actions will prevail, and you will be the one that succeeds, and the one that we will call.


Kathy, what you and Scott have said is right on the money and I hope those that know me will understand that I am truly making light of my effective response... I have no intention of popping this clown although I would probably like to do so....... I only posted that little comeback as a response in comedy.... actually as you have said... there is probably not much I can do about the scenario and in fact he is already destroying himself, reputation wise since he is not very well respected in most circles... he does however continue to write a pretty fair amount of bail. He has done a few things that are not only unethical but also bordering on illegal... but that is another story and I will not go there.... as for the costs of the credit card usage... I do charge him 4% on the total amount charged so I am covering at least the basic costs involved.... Kathy, I am a softy with other business folks and my daughter reads me the riot act all the time because I let people get away with a lot.... this guy has been screwing us for years and I have just finally had enough... my daughter said to me that it was about time.... I tend to agree.

I suppose I could be a bit more ruthless in my business dealings but then I figure, I would be down on the level of the ones I write about in these little threads. I think I'll just continue to maintain my level of professionalism and in the long run it may at least provide me with a better overall reputation.

Never fear... I will not karate chop good ole Sam.... not today anyway !!

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this guy has been screwing us for years and I have just finally had enough... my daughter said to me that it was about time.... I tend to agree.


O M G Brother Bill has seen the light . . . I agree with Kathy and Scott . . . However I would not run his credit cards for him :evil:

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Bill,

You are a true professional!

There have been so many times where I have had bonds "stolen" right out from under me. I pride myself with not doing this to other companies/individuals. There have been instances where I am at a jail and have been approached by someone who has been waiting on a bondsman/woman for an hour or two and have became pretty upset. I tell them if they want to contact the bondsman/woman and let them know they will not wait any longer and they are going to use someone else, as long as I witness this, I will write the bond. I feel like if you tell someone that you are going to be there at a specific time and then you don't show up or call hours later, you are either A. Not interested in the bond anyways, or B. In a very precarious situation where there is no way you can show up. I really am disheartened by the fact that this was a fairly close acquaintance of yours that greed has gotten the better of.

I'm glad you kept a cool head about it, you're the one who actually got ahead that morning :).

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