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Post subject: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Wed 04 Mar 2009 20:07 |
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Joined: Fri 15 Aug 2008 22:49 Posts: 72 Location: atlanta, ga
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Hey ya'll. Has anyone concidered the introduction of K-9's into the Bail Enforcement Industry? It just popped into my mind and I was thinking about the liability involved and who pays the hospital for the "stitches" after the apprehension. Any thoughts or ideas?
_________________ Jim Elkins, Lead Agent Global Recovery Agency, llc Locust Grove (Atlanta) Georgia (678) 759-0530 Bail Enforcement / Recovery Specialized Repossessions "NSF" Bad Check Recovery Extraditions
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Wed 04 Mar 2009 20:15 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Jun 2005 16:04 Posts: 4598 Location: NE Alabama
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Q: K-9's used in BEA ?
A: Several topics regarding this issue in previous threads.
You can find them through the "search" function.
_________________ River City Associates Decatur, Al. 35601
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Thu 05 Mar 2009 00:45 |
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Joined: Mon 12 Jan 2009 18:32 Posts: 98 Location: Minnesota
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Not sure if anyone on here is actually using K9's in their work, but I would suggest if you go that route, you be ready and willing to train and train hard with the dog. To do it right is a long and ongoing process. I work with a few K9 officers and they train weekly and go to Trials, etc, to maintain a certain competency.
I would think the liability on a bite, especially on the street in a civilian mode, might be a tough sell with insurers and the n the subsequent judges and courts you might find yourself in front of.
_________________ Northland MN #40202245 NSIN: BM0510 218-565-0459
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Thu 05 Mar 2009 06:14 |
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Joined: Tue 31 Jan 2006 05:11 Posts: 69 Location: Virginia
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In Virginia, you may not bring any canine to a fugitive recovery; not your pet chihuahua or an attacked trained Malinois. There is an inherent risk of using under trained dogs which could result in legal lilability. Police dogs undergo constant training and recertification. Additionally police/protection dogs require additional manpower, something most recovery agents do not have the luxury of using.
_________________ Jenifer Jewell AT YOUR SERVICE BAIL BONDS & RECOVERY Private Investigator/Bail Enforcement Agent/Bail Bonds DCJS 99-183465 Virginia
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Thu 05 Mar 2009 13:31 |
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In CA, you are responsible for any medical treatment for injuries that you caused by your apphrension of the skip. That includes if you o.c, tase or beat them.
No local pd or sheriff will take responsibility for someone elses injured defendant.
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Thu 05 Mar 2009 13:38 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Jun 2005 16:04 Posts: 4598 Location: NE Alabama
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I view it this way,
A K-9 in BEA is another tool in our ltl arsenal. I see no difference in employing a well trained leo k-9 vs a taser, chemical agent, etc. PROVIDED the k-9's handler is also professionally trained and accredited or certified. Just as in the same sense of being trained in expandable batons, chemical agents, tasers, handcuffs, etc.
The K-9 should be equipped with highly visible (reflective), bullet proof ID rags.
A K-9 is beneficial to BEA's in the function of building clearing, tracking, and ltl compliance commands. Anything else outside of that would exceed a BEA's function. Keeping in mind that a true BEA's function is the mitigation of the client's liability, which also includes not incurring any.
Re: K-9 legalities: As always with any topic regarding legal issues, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consult with your attorney, regulatory body or agency, and of course your state laws. To me, I think the employment of a k-9 falls under the "unusual weapons" provision in Taylor vs Taintor. But that is only my interpretation (opinion) on this issue.
If a BEA k-9 is legal in your AO, you have the funds, acreage/facilities, time, and the physical endurance to train just as hard yourself, then I don't see any issues with deploying 1 in the field.
_________________ River City Associates Decatur, Al. 35601
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Fri 06 Mar 2009 09:15 |
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Joined: Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:14 Posts: 256 Location: Saint Joseph Michigan
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I have discussed this with Ruffin before and a k-9 is a great tool to have not to mention a partner that you don’t have to worry about being there for you when you need them. As a matter of fact I have a 6 month old German Shepard that is going tomorrow to see Rudy Drexler. Rudy has trained the last 5 NARC dogs for my county and is the trainer for the all of the PD’s in my area. If all works out she will start working with me this summer.
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Post subject: Re: Introduction of K-9 in Bail Enforcement Posted: Sat 07 Mar 2009 15:29 |
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Joined: Thu 01 Sep 2005 08:14 Posts: 256 Location: Saint Joseph Michigan
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As I stated in my previous post I went to see Mr. Drexler today. In 2 weeks My German Shepard “Indy” will be starting her training with Mr. Drexler. Indy has started her home training today learning commands in German. To anyone that would like to find out more about the training that Mr. Drexler has to offer you can goggle his name or click on the link below. http://rudydrexler.com/Andy Dickey Tri-State Intelligence, LLC
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