Doggie update (Duane Chapman - Dog the Bounty Hunter)

My sources tell me that they were contracted for one season. 18 shows all of which have already been taped. ( they have already started playing rerun as well as new ones by the way) so most likely they are mainly doing the press work interview stuff now and the chapman have gotten back to business as usual.

HERE WE GO AGAIN-THE ILLEGAL BADGE IS ONE THING-CLAIMING THAT HE IS LAW ENFORCEMENT ON NATIONAL TV-(2 LOW GRADE FELONYS SO FAR)BUT CHOKING A MAN WITH HIS HANDS CUFFED BEHIND HIS BACK IS WRONG-EXCESSIVE FORCE- LIKE IT OR NOT ATTITUDE DOES COUNT DEMENOR IS IMPORTANT-AGAIN THE TRUE DU-DU EMERGES FROM UNDER THAT SLIME COVERED ROCK-A VIGILANTE WITH NO BUSINESS DOING BEA WORK-

IF HE DID IT RIGHT I WOULD BE HIS BIGGEST FAN AND WOULD GLADLY SHOW HIM ADMIRATION AND RESPECT.THE PLAIN FACT IS HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A VIGILANTE AND A SHOWOFF WITH THE IQ OF A WATERMELON-HE SEEMS TO PROVE THAT STATEMENT DAILY.HIS ACTIONS ARE FAR FROM HONORABLE HIS MOTIVES SUSPECT HIS ACTIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES-HE KEEPS PUTTING HIS DIRTY COWBOY BOOT IN HIS MOUTH WITH HIS BULLSH-T

WHILE I ADMIRE THE WAY HE HAS GOT HIS LIFE TOGETHER AND CARES FOR HIS FAMILY I CANNOT IN ANYWAY CONDONE HIS OVERT BEHAVIORE

YOU CANNOT SPRAY COLONGE ON A TURD AND CALL IT A ROSE- IT WILL ALWAYS JUST BE A COLONGE COVERED TURD

DU-DU WILL ALWAYS BE A BLOW HARD AND A LIER-I INVITE HIM TO AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON BEA
(IT WOULD BE LIKE COMING TO A GUNFIGHT WITH A KNIFE)HE IS OUT OF HIS LEAGUE WITH MOST PRO BEA THAT I AM IN CONTACT WITH
DU- DU YOU PUT A STAIN ON OUR NOBLE PROFFESSION

Lets look at this from all sides for a minute. I have a problem with some of the logic here. First if Hawaii had a beef about Dog and His gang, since they run there business in two places there, it would seem that they would move in on them and do something about it so it seems they don’t have a problem. Now if I am correct don’t they two or three office in Colorado? If Colorado had a problem with them they would also be there. But they have done nothing either . Its not like Dog just opened his offices he has had them for a long time.

As far as the badge goes. You can go on any web site that sells novelties and get a fake badge for every state in the united states. These fake badges just change small things about them so they look real at a glance but when checked close up they are obviously not real. How do we know that isn’t what he has. But also if he is able to bail bond in Colorado, which he must be because they don’t stop him, why wouldn’t he have a real one? And there is no law that says he cant wear that badge every where he goes. He just cant present it in Hawaii but still can wear it around his neck as a charm. As a lawyer I have to say guys that codes are great but you have to take the codes at face value. They cant be twisted to be made to mean one thing when they don’t and the code in Colorado is set up so that their state badges can not be used for that purpose out side of their state but you can in fact wear them if one was issued to you as long as you are not using them in other states . Now even though Dog and his gang are wearing theirs there is no proof that they actually flash them at people while arresting them. So they could claim they are just wearing them which would explain while Colorado officials aren’t moving to fast on that level. Then also there is the fact that their show is at this point one of the top rated shows on A&E and in its history which would bring that state bad press and no state wants that.

So as you can see there are a lot of if ,ands and buts in the world. It isn’t black and white.

I understand that some of you do not like the way they do things and even think they are taking your profession back to the old west “ string ’em up high” days but if they were breaking major laws the states they work in would do something about it. The FBI would do something about it. But no one has so they must feel there is no just cause at this point.
As far as Beth Smith’s past or her name that’s neither here nor there and I will be honest when I say I find that a little petty and grasping at straws. Same goes with Dogs past { some have remarked on other places about his murder rap in Texas and about the little time he did.( we all know how Texas is about such things) but you have to look at other things like were there appeals? That process takes a while. Was his attempt? We do not know every detail on that and that’s in the past so should be left there.
As far as what he is or isn’t lying about maybe one should look at it like this: No one is totally truthful in life. We all tell a lie at some point and time even if it’s a little white one. Who are we to say what he lies about and doesn’t .. if he should be trusted or shouldn’t… I have found in life that People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I know of no one on earth or this board who lives in a total wood house with no glass. So like I said I understand your points on how this makes you look but one going after him like some are is actually doing the same thing you accuse him of…and two his ten seconds of fame will be over soon and he will go back to being civilian Joe again so what’s the point. He has bene in business so long they aren’t going to close him down. Right?

BEITSO-YOU HAVE SOME VALID POINTS-I DO NOT CARE ABOUT DOGS BACKROUND HE DID HIS TIME AND PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIATY-

YOU CLAIM TO BE A LAWYER-I AM NOT I AM A RETIRED POLICE DETECTIVE AND A NEW HAMPSHIRE LICENSED BEA - I WORK NEW ENGLAND-YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE FBI DOES NOT INVESTIGATE STATE CRIMES UNLESS THEY ARE MAJOR OR REQUESTED BY THE STATE INVOLVED-THE DO FEDERAL CRIMES FOR EXAMPLE BANK ROBBERY , KIDNAPPING , INTERSTATE CRIMES , ETC. SO THE FBI WOULD NOT INVESTIGATE IMPERSONATION OF A POLICE OFFICER(THAT IS WHAT SAYING I AM LAW ENFORCEMENT ON NATIOAL TV DID) AND WEARING A BADGE WITH A STATE SEAL IS ABOUT(ILLEGAL IN MOST STATES)- AS I SAID BEFORE 2 LOW GRADE FELONYS

NEXT POINT YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN -IF YOU GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME AND MONEY I COULD PROBOBLY CONVICT THE POPE OF A CRIME
MY FORMER POST SAYS I GIVE DU-DU MUCH CREDIT FOR GETTING HIS LIFE STRAIGHT AND RAISING A GOOD FAMILY SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF THESE DAYS
ALSO ANOTHER POINT YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING IN THIER PAST THEY ARE NOT PROUD OF OR WOULD NOT LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW OF- I DO IWILL TELL ALL NOW I HAVE TAKEN HUMAN LIFE 6 TIMES IN THE PAST ALL DEEMED GOOD SHOOTS BY THE LAW BUT IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT WHILE ASLEEP MY MIND IS NOT SURE OF MY MOTIVES-I WOULD NOT LIKE THAT OLD WOUND OPENED OR EXAMINED AGAIN-WE ALL HAVE SKELATONS IN OUR CLOSETS(BESIDES THE FACT I CAN NOT SPELL WORTH A DAM)

AS FAR AS DOG IS CONCERNED HE IS A DISGRACE AND SMEARS US ALL WITH SHAME-THE MEXICO FIASCO WAS THE START-THAN HE GOT INVOLVED WITH THE MISSING GIRL (WHO LEFT WITH HER GYM COACH I BELIVE OUT OF THE PORTLAND OR. AREA) WHERE ON NATIONAL TV HE SAID I CAN FIND HER IN TWO WEEKS AND THAN DID NOT(HE WAS WARNED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT HE WOULD BE ARRESTED FOR INTERFEARING WITH AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION IF HE GOT INVOLVED)NOW ON NATIONWIDE TV HE DOES IT WRONG STILL-FLASHS ILLEGAL BADGES-IMPERSONATES COPS -CHOKES HANCUFFED SKIPS-FORGET ABOUT ALL THE BRAVADO BULLSH-T-HE JUST PLAIN DOES IT WRONG-THE PRO BEA WORKS HARD TO CREAT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THIS AHOLE WASHES IT AWAY IN SOME HALF ASS TV SHOW.LAW AND I JUST POPPED ONE OF THE LARGEST CRACK DEALERS IN NH(WHO ALSO HAS SHOT PEOPLE AND HAS MANY VIOLENT FELONYS ON HIS RECORD)THE PD DETECTIVES WE WERE WORKING WITH LAUGHED AT US AT THE BEGINNING SAYING ARE YOU GUYS LIKE THAT DOG AHOLE ON TV-WHEN WE APPREHENDED THE BAD GUY WE WERE TOLD GOOD WORK BY THAT PD AND THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY OUR PROFFESSIONAL DEMENOR AND WORK ETHIC-NO MATTER WHERE A BEA WORKS IT STILL REFLECTS ON US ALL- ONE GOOD OR BAD BEA PAINTS US ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH-NOT FAIR BUT STILL THE TRUTH-I KNOW IT WONT SELL BE TV NEEDS TO SHOW REAL LIFE OF A BEAHOURS OF BACKROUND WORK HOURS OF PHONE CALLS HOURS OF SURVAILENCE-DISAPOINTMENT-ELATION-PAIN -ANGUISH-SECONDS OF TERROR-BY THE WAY I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A NEW ENGLANDER BUT A TRANSPLANT FROM NY

USING A BADGE IN BEA I BELIEVE IS A GOOD IDEA-CHECK STATE LAWS FIRST SOME STATE OUTLAW THERE USE-IN MOST STATE YOU CANNOT USE THE STATE SEAL AS A CENTER BECAUSE IT IMPLIES STATE AUTHORITY-WE USE THE SCALES OF JUSTICE OR A EAGLE WITH FLAG AS A CENTER-EMAIL ME AND WILL WILL SEND YOU A PIC ANYTIME

The whole badge issue appears to be sort of messy. An agent here in Virginia was telling me that he was charged with impersonating an officer by having a badge that "looked like" a Sheriff's badge (aka the marshall badge we're all quite familiar with by now). He now carries a large shield, similar to that of many police departments (which seems to me would be worse than the marshall badge *shrug*).

Here in the PRC, one could pick up an impersonation beef if his or her activity causes a "reasonable" person to think that he or she is government law enforcement. I use the term 'government law enforcement' because there is some interesting CA Supreme Court language that suggests that BEAs are law enforcement while working a case, but we won't dive into that argument in the interest of staying on point.

I'm a strong advocate of pro-active bounty work, and this includes the use of uniforms to distinguish my Team for safety purposes. The use of uniforms has been proven to stop attacks before they happen and LE personnel have consistently complimented my Team for their professionalism.

Of notable interest is that my state issued license bears the phrase "Bail Agent." This phrase/term is on back patches, shoulder patches, and even on the rear collar of our daytime shirts; moreover, on those occassions when we use badges, the word "Bail" is in plain sight X2.

BEAs may run into problems when their patches or other markings are decepetive. For example, it is unlawful in the PRC to use Task Force, Bureau, United States, Federal, or "...substantially similar words..." In fact, the term "Fugitive Recovery" has been adopted by certain agencies, which is why we dropped that terms many years ago.

How a BEA approaches people is another aspect of getting hit with an impersonation rap. Pretexting over the phone is one thing, but having a collective appearance, verbiage, and equipment could also spark an allegation.

My business cards are marked with the term "Bail Fugitive Arrest Team," and the card also bears the California Penal Code for bail arrests. Again, "Bail" is prominently used.

I heard one BEA (whose uniform, badge, and mannerisms were exceptionally deceptive) say that he was not responsible for what people think. Evidentally, depending on the jurisdiction, BEAs can be held responsible for what people think.

The circular, US Marshall style badges that say "Fugitive Recovery Agent" are in common use, but it is conceivable that a person may reasonbly believe that bearer of that style badge is government law enforcement absent being advised otherwise.

It all boils down to how one projects his or herself. Yeah, we get all gussied up in our finest uniforms, but we take ourselves--covered in the word "BAIL"--directly to the LE agency holding jurisdiction over a suspected location where introductions are made, copies of bail docs and licenses are produced, things are verified, war stories are shared, K-9s & Choppers may be called in to assist, and things get handled accordingly.

Just remember, as a BEA pro, we are all responsible for our conduct inasmuch that our activities should remain well within the realm of applicable laws of our perspective areas.

Rex

Beitso,

It is my understanding that Mr. Chapman is no longer working in Colorado, or so it seems since his show is strictly in the Islands--so far.

It may be considered naive to think that if someone is conducting themselves in an illegal manner then surely the local, state or federal goverment would launch an immediate investigation and justice will be served.

You may recall that there was an Arizona incident wherein men posing as bounty hunters attempted a drug rip off that ended up in a firefight and a homicide investigations. The incident was spread all over the media, but when it came to light that initial story was erroneous in certain critical areas, corrections were either non-existent or buried; however, the incident prompted legislation on a national level.

Mr. Chapman has been remiss in not observing California law (he shouldn't have been here in the first place on that Luster case) and Mexico law (where he is himself a bail jumper). Colorado passed licensing requirements some time ago, and Mr. Chapman may or may not have been in compliance there.

The point is Mr. Chapman's activities are drawing national attention, and if he does something wrong then history tells us that there may be a rippling effect that could change the industry again.

BEAs stay out of trouble by following the letter of the law. BEAs may find themselves in trouble by toying with the spirit of a given law. BEAs have been arrested on the streets, booked, jailed, and then were cleared once a deputy DA looked at the arrest report. Why? Such occurances arrive directly from naive street cops, but the wrongfully arrested BEAs end up with an arrest record.

Being a test case can be avoided by thinking black and white, and not like an officer of the court trying to reshape or reconstruct a statute; indeed, the one standing in court isn't the one on the hook for playing in the gray areas.

As a lawyer (provided that you are a criminal defense attorney or civil litigator who actually spends time open court arguing cases) then you should know that arguing the intent of the legislature or legal precedent is your job, but BEAs don't have that after-the-fact luxury. BEAs must think ahead to avoid legal problems.

So for you to represent yourself as a legal expert and then suggest that there is wiggle room in statutes may be counter-productive for new people tuning in to lurk on this forum.

While your position is well thought out and organized, there is a much larger picture to take into consideration concerning the highly complex bail bond industry insofar that history, rule of law, common sense, logic and even vision should all be carefully weighed before offering counter-points to BEA pros who have seen and heard many things over their varied careers.

Respectfully Submitted,

Rex

REX LOVE THAT WORD REASONABLE-I DID NOT KNOW THERE ARE REASONABLE PEOPLE LEFT IN PRC- I WAS TOLD THEY ALL LEFT AFTER THE LAST QUAKE-QUESS I WAS WRONG(PRESENT COMPANY EXCEPTED) IN THE PEOPLES REPBLIC OF CALIFORNIA WHAT IS REASONABLE -MAYBE CHARLIE MANSON KNOWS OR MAYBE DIANE FIENSTEIN OR ARNOLD OR HIS NEW ENGLAND WIFE-SORRY IT MUST ONLY BE YOU AND THE OTHER BEAS IN CAL THAT MEET THE REASONABLE STATUS(WE ALL MUST BE CRAZY TO BE BEAS ANYWAY)ENOUGH ON REASONABLE I KNOW I AM NOT REASONABLE (MY WIFE TELLS ME THAT ALL THE TIME)

God only knows who is considered reasonable anymore. I've been mistaken for a U.S. Marshall by an otherwise seemingly intelligent person (I promptly corrected him) and told "you're not the police!" by random drunkards. Who knows?