Richmond, Va.; Public Forum- do guns make us safer?

Tonight, Tuesday, 1/29/13... Times Dispatch forum, open to the public

You must register to attend but it is free.

I WILL BE THERE... I will probably try to keep my mouth shut.... (wife's instructions... she usually knows best)... but I want to hear what is being said... first hand.

It is from 7 to 8:30pm... downtown Richmond... 300 E. Franklin St.... and yes, if I am in downtown Richmond... after dark... yes, I will be carrying.... !!

You can also watch it online at the Times Dispatch website....

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/ou ... 8e62a.html

Not sure where you go to view this but it is on this site.... look around... it is a streaming video... (whatever that means).... you may see me there... I am the old fat man with white hair and crazy eyes....

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Bill
Thanks for the heads up and please let me know how it goes.

I have given the gun control topic some considerable thought lately and I have several questions:

1) I would like to know specifically who and how many gun control advocates either possess or carry a weapon, or, utilize an armed security team?

2) How many gun control laws exist at the Federal level and the individual State level, to include local ordinances, and what the prosecution rate is for offenders?

3) How many of these alleged defendants were legally allowed to posses a weapon at the time they allegedly committed such crime?

Whether one carries for personal protection, which is their right, or one utilizes the services of an armed security team, they are defacto supporting the reason why citizens that can carry, do. It is ludicrous that they would take a position that the laws do not apply to them. There are many laws on the books already, some that had extensive advertising campaigns claiming that defendants would receive a mandatory 5 years for illegal possession of a weapon in the commission of a crime. How many of these cases were pled down to a minimal or no conviction. We as a governed society are sending mixed messages to the populace, we will blow smoke and make noise, but if you are a criminal, your poor behavior is expected and you will not get punished. If you are a law abiding citizen, and we catch you messing up, we will throw the book at you because you know better. We need to become consistant in our message, if we say you get jail time than that must be it, no equivocation or plea bargaining, do your time. To continue to control the controllable does nothing to curtail the behaviors of the uncontrollable, common sense must prevail.

Scott

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As Politico reports, the FBI denied 72,659 attempted gun purchases, 1.2 per cent of the more than 6 million applications, in 2010 based on red flags raised by the background check system.

Nearly half of those application denials were due to felony indictment or conviction, while 19 per cent of the applicants were fugitives and 11 per cent were those who had violated state laws.

The rejection rate has essentially remained the same over the years.

And they only prosecuted 11 of thsoe cases! ELEVEN!

YES ! YES ! and apply that tree where necessary

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Sorry for the delay... had a few things that came up... anyway...

Report from the "Public Square" meeting I attended.... short but sweet... or not so sweet as the case may be..

I found the entire affair to be simply a back and forth debate of sorts.... there seemed to me... to be only two lines of thought... on one side were the extremely emotional folks that blamed guns for all violence and were convinced that removing them would solve all violence problems... I found most of those to be women who basically had very little in the way of facts and one in particular that was not interested in anything that was put forth by anyone on the other side.... I could see others that sided with the "do away with guns" folks but they did not have much too say... the other side... the 'pro gun' folks for lack of a better description... were... IMHO a bit more inclined to try and produce statistics and definitions and try to provide information to uphold their points... but again... the other side was not the least bit interested in hearing those facts... I think this is the way it will be.... one side will not convince the other and this debate will simply continue... I am frankly getting a bit tired of trying to provide factual information in these debates or discussions because it appears to me that the side that wants to eliminate guns is not really interested in working together to try and curb the violence... they just want to eliminate the one thing they blame for it all..... the guns.

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"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"

Bill, there in lies the rub. You cam never have a reasonable discourse with liberals. The facts will never be allowed to enter or disway their argument. I confronted one at breakfast today who stated she voted for Obama because Bush took away women's rights. I asked her to educate me and tell me specifically which rights women lost? She became angry and would not answer.
Here is my surprised look!
Scott

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I suppose I am preaching to the preverbial choir here but.... this is a letter I just posted to the editor of the Times Dispatch....

People, we have to stand up and speak our minds on this issue....

I was present at the Public Square meeting on the subject "More Guns/Safer?" question. I am an old Marine, a life member of the NRA, the VCDL, several gun clubs and IDPA. Although these affiliations may appear to place me on the far right, I can say that I am just as much against "violence" as anyone else and those in my corner are not the problem, in fact, we are both interested in the same thing, we just have different means to an end. The issue should be the fight to reduce "people violence" The word "gun" is as relevant to "violence" as the word "automobile" is to "DUI" The only part the object plays is the fact that it was "used" to accomplish the act. Intoxicated drivers who wish to drive, mentally disturbed persons who look to do harm, will come by the means, be it cars or guns, regardless of the laws. Putting more laws and/or restrictions on the books is like trying to control speeding on I-95 by putting up an additional 100 speed limit signs. The way to curtail speeding or any other unlawful act, is to enforce the laws that are already in place relating to the issue. I also believe that those in attendance, regardless of their beliefs, will probably never change their minds on this issue. Only one other thought... do not believe for an instant that the government is actually interested in making you safer.... that is not their agenda.

ADDED LATER:



Good turnout.... but as mentioned above... I don't think it really accomplished much... no one is gonna change their minds on this issue.... to intrenched....

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Bill Marx, Sr.
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"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"

Well said, Bill!

Scott

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R.E. "Scott" MacLean III

"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"

Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
Chesapeake Bail Bonds
877-574-0500
301-392-1100 (fax)
301-392-1900 (Office)

just added a couple of pictures of the meeting....

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Bill Marx, Sr.
"FREE STATE BAIL BONDS"
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DCJS: 99-176979
Cell: 434-294-0222

"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"

I've not been too vocal about the gun debate. I believe, like Bill, that most people's views are so deeply entrenched that it really isn't anything more than choosing sides. This is all I am going to say, "My gun makes me safer." All the unarmed people will either have to fend for themselves or hope a more generous and beneficent person than I am is nearby.

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