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MikeAstringer
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 12:14 |
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Scott, again my comment was not intended to offend or disagree. I frankly didn't remember who said it or the context in which it was said, I simply remembered that someone had said LE officers were not a good fit for this job. That was a statement that I was surpised to see and didn't fully understand.
I realize that police officers are shot / shot at all of the time. My point, which I may not have expressed fully, was that a LE officer would have been better trained and have knocked on hundreds/thousands of more doors than me for example. Chances are good that I might make mistakes that an experienced LE officer would not.
It doesn't take more than a few hours on the Internet to realize that there are many untrained or adrenaline driven people in this business. I CLEARLY was not putting you in that bucket, arguing with your experience, views or any of the above. I simply assumed that the training and experience that a LE officer gains over his or her career puts him or her in a good position to revert to that training and experience in a situation of danger.
I hear what you are saying and I'm sorry if I offended or my comments were taken as a challenge. I should probably be reading more than I am posting. I'll go back to quietly reading now....
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KARMA
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 12:38 |
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Joined: Mon 14 Feb 2005 10:59 Posts: 7563 Location: Arkansas
FRN Agency ID #: 340
Experience: More than 10 years
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DSI wrote: The one thing that I learned long ago being a public law enforcement /private law enforcement instructor is not to Monday morning quarterback field officers/agents actions as the right or the wrong of the matter. But to use the incident as a training tool for other officers/agents that maybe put in the same situation.
Let us find out want the facts really are before we rush to judgment. My first concern is that this agent recovers, therefore my prayers go out to him and his family and co-workers. AMEN !
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Do not consider anything for your interest which makes you break your word, quit your modesty, or inclines you to any practice which will not bear the light, or look the world in the face .... Marcus Antonius I AM Some Folks "KARMA" and A MODERATOR @ FRN
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 13:06 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
FRN Agency ID #: 455
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What Gene said. I apologize for side tracking the original post, but I had to address comments made. I get a little defensive when solid advice gained from several weeks of experience is summarily dismissed, or when one of our on is critiqued absent the complete facts.
Mike, I am not the be all and end all, my opinion is just that, and bears no more or less prudence than the next guy's opinion. Everyone here as a back ground and we have members here that are highly countenanced and are revered by the local LE detectives in their respective AO. My local SD has me on contract for investigations for their CSE locates.
Prayers out to his family,
Scott
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
Last edited by Mdbtyhtr on Thu 26 Jan 2012 13:12, edited 1 time in total.
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MikeAstringer
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 13:11 |
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Mdbtyhtr wrote: I get a little defensive when solid advice gained from several weeks of experience is summarily dismissed Your thoughts, advice, experience or opinions were not dismissed or disvalued. I also apologized which I guess was not accepted. Scott, you added a paragraph to your response and I will as well. I by no means want to come here and cause waves, make enemies or get into disagreements with those who clearly know a ton more than I do. I'm here to learn. Perhaps I should word my posts as questions rather than opinions since I probably don't know enough to have an opinion at this juncture. Again, I apologize and hope that no grudges are held.
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 13:40 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
FRN Agency ID #: 455
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Mike your opinions and contributions to this site are welcomed and encouraged. I hold no grudges, or any ill will. Intelligent people can discuss topics and disagree as gentlemen. I look forward to your success in this industry and how your opinions evolve as you gain experience in this business. Please consider that the number of bail enforcement people that actively work in this industry and remain covert in their actions and activities far eclipses the number of "YouTube" hunters desiring attention. Please don't judge this industry based on the flash in the pans that just go away eventually.
I look forward to your success in this industry and to read your opinions as they evolve with your success and experience.
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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MikeAstringer
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Thu 26 Jan 2012 14:14 |
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Thank you Scott. I really appreciate it and you.
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docmike
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 14:26 |
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Joined: Sun 26 Nov 2006 04:28 Posts: 679 Location: San Jose
FRN Agency ID #: 0
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Man there goes my ideas of You Tube fame . All the training in the world and even street smarts wont protect anyone from a bullet. Best outcome we can all hope for is luck, luck and more luck. Knowing what you are walking into, getting enough assistance and even walking away to fight another day increase the lucky day. Even then we may get hit by a car walking back to ours. Training Planning Experience and most of all always being scared Sh*tless everytime I go on a case keeps me on this earth.
_________________ Mike Norcal Bail Enforcement San Jose Ca. 360 237 1721 efax 408 402 2710 work cell DOI Bail Agent Lic 1844214 BSIS G1533544
Go hug a Tree
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BondgirlCA
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 20:45 |
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Joined: Thu 23 Nov 2006 18:44 Posts: 1311 Location: San Ramon, CA
FRN Agency ID #: 1366
Experience: 7 - 10 years
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And Marco in the passenger seat....
_________________ Kate 650.863.8470
" Yeah, I see ya, you ding dong..."
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Agent11-117
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 21:35 |
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Joined: Tue 24 Jan 2012 02:29 Posts: 160 Location: Aurora, Colorado
FRN Agency ID #: 4078
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DSI wrote: Let us find out want the facts really are before we rush to judgment. My first concern is that this agent recovers, therefore my prayers go out to him and his family and co-workers. Howdy Pard! What you said there is spot on! There ain't much info out there that I've found about the incident. The best I've found so far is here: http://www.kake.com/kansas/headlines/Bo ... 92688.html Among the facts is the bounty hunter was shot in the back. He was in stable condition after surgery. Police are still trying to sort out the events leading to the shooting, and of course, looking for the shooter. Several people have been arrested. Check the link for better information. Adios! Mel
_________________ Mel Edington, Fugitive Recovery Agent CDOI 2011-117 Colorado Private Investigator, DORA PI10000052 Athame Investigations, division of Colorado Bounty Hunter LLC Aurora, Colorado 303-343-7111 Office 303-319-1077 Cell 303-366-3189 Fax
Available for Fugitive Recovery, Process Service, Investigation and Legal Courier Service.
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docmike
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Post subject: Re: Wichita Kansas Recovery Agent Shooting Posted: Fri 27 Jan 2012 23:30 |
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Joined: Sun 26 Nov 2006 04:28 Posts: 679 Location: San Jose
FRN Agency ID #: 0
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BondgirlCA wrote: And Marco in the passenger seat.... Got to have my boy next to me to hold my hand and do all the running
_________________ Mike Norcal Bail Enforcement San Jose Ca. 360 237 1721 efax 408 402 2710 work cell DOI Bail Agent Lic 1844214 BSIS G1533544
Go hug a Tree
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