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DMARTZ
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Post subject: Re: Showing their gun  Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 03:45 |
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A weapon should never ever be used as an arrest tool as you call it. Weapons drawn out in California to me is a different animal as they have the 3 strikes law which is very serious and the defendents will hurt you.
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 08:52 |
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Quote: It seems that you’re firearm is a necessary part of doing the job (for most) and using it as an arrest tool,,, is sort of a do it in the dark, unwritten, pull and hope, kinda thing….. No . . . NOT . . . an "arrest tool". A weapon should only be drawn as a last resort. Meaning someones life is in danger of being lost. You cannot take back a bullet
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 09:33 |
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I do carry a 45 as a llast resort save my life tool. I also carry pepper x26 taser and baton so I have many options if needed. Most importantly the brain is the best tool we have. Although the wife claims mine is alittle damaged 
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 17:48 |
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Location: Columbus ,Ohio
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Quote: No . . . NOT . . . an "arrest tool". A weapon should only be drawn as a last resort.
Meaning someones life is in danger of being lost. You cannot take back a bullet Well Put!!!
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MadMadi
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 21:22 |
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If your using a gun as an arrest tool, that most likely could turn into brandishing here in CA...
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DMARTZ
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Post subject: Re: Showing their gun Posted: Mon 18 Oct 2010 21:57 |
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The original question answer is a Recovery Agent( Bounty Hunter) license will not give anyone a right to carry a weapon of any kind each state has their own laws that have to be follow in regards to having a weapon. In some states even the less than lethal weapons fall into the deadly weapons list. So check with each state you will carry in on what is required. Off the top of my head is New York will not Honor anyones ccw permit with the exception of Retired LE permits as they can carry in any state.
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Tue 19 Oct 2010 12:17 |
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Virginia... I have two permits... one for DCJS and the other for my personal county of residence... because....
If I am out having dinner with the wife... and I am carrying... and I am stopped and questioned... the DCJS permit does not allow me to carry unless I am in the service of bonding... now I know this is a sticky deal but it is absolutely the facts as told to me by DCJS... so I have two permits just in case....
I have no idea how other states operate.... but my thoughts are.... better safe than.......... you know...
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Tue 19 Oct 2010 13:49 |
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I’m having trouble finding what the Ohio law is regarding this… as I mentioned before, my buddy and his crew pull their weapons often when they apprehend and absolutely when searching a house. We have had several discussions about this and he just says, “you have to do what you have to do” I guess he’s right in some regard. I just wanted to know what the Ohio law was on this? I’ll keep looking….
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Tue 19 Oct 2010 13:52 |
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Bill, I just had a discussion with one of my SGT's about "Better safe than....". He states that all you need to carry in Georgia is (1) Be POST certified (2) Be in the military and have your ID card on you (3) Have a Georgia weapons permit (4) Be in one of the occupations that gives you automatic rights to carry (Accountant, Lawyer, Judge, ect). I said "And that is why I am always sure to have more than one of those covered. Three of those apply, right now." He started going off. He asked "Why tha @$#! would you go through all that? Any one of em has got you covered. Does it make you feel special to have all those ID's?" I said "No but when the poop hits the fan....I'd rather have more ammo than what I need than not enough." He dropped the conversation  .
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Post subject: Re: Showing thier gun Posted: Tue 19 Oct 2010 15:34 |
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In MD, you have to have a separate license for each permissible cause, ie: Bail Bondsman, PI etc.
If the reason for the license ceases to be, you must surrender the license immediately. As for VA, I am with Bill and do the same thing he does, local county as well as DCJS permits.
Dave, It isd my understanding that even if you are former LE, in order to comply with the Federal Statute, you must comply with your own states annual re-qualifications requirements. therein lies the rub...some state that don't like the idea, have never instituted this program and therefore, there is nothing to be compliant with, and therefore invalidates the right to carry anywhere.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
Scott
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