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KARMA
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Tue 05 Jan 2010 08:11 |
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Joined: Mon 14 Feb 2005 10:59 Posts: 7563 Location: Arkansas
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speezack wrote: Quote: I dont trust em. Now, now Andy my boy.... attorneys are sort of like bondmen and bounty hunters.... there are a few good ones around... sometimes you just have to look closer... ... and there is one small point that I might mention here.... attorneys and bondsmen and most other like occupations we deal with... although a tight group... are controlled by a characteristic that tends to keep them separate for the most part.... JEALOUSY. When you inject that word into the relationship, it tends to make each member of the particular group a bit... shall we say, "keep it close to the hip"... in other words, there may be some that are tight with each other on the surface but you can bet your farm that if money, bonds, business comes in... they will keep it close to their own back pocket and the "share" word tends to drift. Do you get my drift? Oh Yeahhhhhhhhhh
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Tue 05 Jan 2010 20:34 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
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In Texas an attorney that posts bond for his client is obliged to represent the defendant through the entire judicial process, to my understanding
In Maryland, the criminal trial lawyer and career politician Joe Valario, is head of the legislative rules committee. There was a rule, not a law, on the books that prohibited Lawyers, Police Officers, Correctional Officers and Officers of the Court to post a Bail Bond. He changed this rule with the stroke of a pen and posts bonds at 10% to the court and retains the bail as premium after the casde is discharged. My two issues are as follows: The first time that he gets a skip, I want to see if the State comes after him like they do us, as he is also posting a bond for profit. (He also does not have to pay the 1% to the court for the privilege of writing the bond that professional and surety bondsmen do) The second issue is one of conflict of interest. Should an attorney be so inclined, and desired a bail review to lower a bond for his client, he would ask for "Reasonable Bail" as opposed to ROR or other alternate method of release. This would be to protect his potential fee and not to protect and serve the client that retained the defendant.
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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AndyL
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Tue 05 Jan 2010 22:05 |
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One of my biggest bitches about 10% bonds is the fact that if we have to pay a forfeiture in MO, the money goes to the school system. I think the county should have to cough up the full amount of the bond should the perp run, to give to the schools. Fair is fair. If they want to play bondsman, play right.
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Wed 06 Jan 2010 08:44 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
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Andy, My otrher issue with 10% to the court bonds is that nobody properly vets the bond poster, and if the defendant FTA's, they don't pursue the balance. This is widely known. It is not uncommon to half a half baked drug addict bond out their dealer, with no retribution or pre-qualification, thereby ensuring the failure of the system. I had a long talk with a Bail Bond Commissioner and explained to her that when the defendant is left with the impression, due to lenient bail requirements, that their alleged crime is not taken seriously, it, in effect, provides no deterrent to crime. Weere the converse true, the defendant would be left with the impression that "That County Don't play" and they tell all of their friends as well, which becomes a very real deterrent to crime.
This liberal "Do gooder" mentality is causing the demise of our society, and it rests on the shoulders of those seeking Utopia, which only exists in fairy tales.
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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AndyL
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Thu 07 Jan 2010 21:25 |
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Well Bill, I see some jealousy and such like goes on between bondsmen with attys, but not much, at least not the ones I deal with and see. I see them hangin out together, a lot. I see them covering cases for each other, a lot. I dont trust them, not at all. I have two attys that I trust, truely trust. I have many that are nice to me and act like they will do anything for me but I know that if I ever quit sending them business, they will stick me in a heartbeat.
You know what really puzzles me? The two lowest forms of life on the planet that I know of are Lawyers and Politicians. However, in our society, we take people who are both, put a robe on them and call them your honor. I just dont understand that.
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AWOBB
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Tue 12 Jan 2010 18:32 |
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Wed 13 Jan 2010 20:00 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51 Posts: 5055 Location: South Central Virginia
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_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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AndyL
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Thu 14 Jan 2010 07:36 |
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My god Steve, they spend a ton of money on running their own bail service. Is that a liberal stronghold or what?
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speezack
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Post subject: Re: Virginia PreTrail Services Posted: Thu 14 Jan 2010 10:54 |
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Joined: Fri 02 Mar 2007 10:51 Posts: 5055 Location: South Central Virginia
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AndyL wrote: they spend a ton of money on running their own bail service. ... and you know where the largest coffer is located..... in the taxpayers pocket.... I say again, how can a taxpayer supported, government run bureaucracy, bloated with administration that very likely is not needed and run for the basic sole purpose of supporting and promoting itself compete in any manner with a privately run, cost effective and totally self funded individual organization that for the most part, runs itself, polices itself, and pays the state for the privilege of operating according to state guidelines (this is true in Virginia although some states are not regulated). Simply compare FedEx or UPS to the government run US Post Office... Makes no sense to me although government bureaucracy feeds on itself and where there is tax money involved, they have to continue to use it or lose it, which is not true in the private sector where saving money while making a profit is generally the motivating feature. Am I not seeing the total picture or is this pretty much the simple description of the fight we are in.... ? I just don't think it is that complicated although many government agencies can certainly get that way over a very short time.
_________________ Bill Marx, Sr. "FREE STATE BAIL BONDS" "FREE STATE INVESTIGATIONS" DCJS: 99-176979 Cell: 434-294-0222
"Endeavor to Persevere" "Lone Watie"
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that , comes from bad judgment" "Will Rogers"
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