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SpanielPI
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Post subject: Federalizing BEA's  Posted: Sat 06 Sep 2008 08:49 |
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Location: NE Alabama
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This was split from a previous and unrelated topic: Quote: The idea of federalizing our industry is not a new concept. A little unknown fact is that immediately following 911, when emotions were high and Americans were "bloodthirsty" for revenge the idea was re-examined by federal legislators to create an oversight agency that would be respsonible for training, licensing, background checks, etc and attach this agency to homeland security.
The individuals would be independent contractors, and not federal employees, contracted to, supervised, and regulated by HS.
Naturally the idea died as time went on and I have not heard it discussed any more on that level.
There are pros and cons to this concept. Many people like the "spirit" of the industry.."The Lone Ranger" concept...the freedom to do what needs to be done, mostly unregulated, without bosses, "big brother", paperwork, yadda yadda yadda.
On the other hand, the very lack of an unchecked industry leaves itself wide open to abuses, ridicule, condemnation, outlaws themselves manipulating the industry, etc.
So some are for it, others are not.
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uk_body_guard
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Post subject: Re: A quick question. Posted: Sat 06 Sep 2008 15:51 |
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would be interesting to see how many people who are actually for or against the idea of this concept.
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: A quick question. Posted: Sun 07 Sep 2008 10:10 |
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Location: Maryland and Virginia
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This creates additional issues... The Federal bail enforcement concept is good as it would allow a singular Federal Credential, opportunity for back ground investigations, standardized training, recognition from both local and Federal law enforcement, promote team work, access to additional investigative databases such as NCIC, Tax records, Social Security records, etc.
The negative would involve color of the law protections or not, evidenciary gathering requirements/responsibilities, bureaucratic over site, requirements to testify to chain of custody of evidence gathered, and the issue of who pays us.
How do we resolve these issues? I suggest a 1% fee on all bonds posted to the created agency for funding of same. Minimal information requirements on bail applications, (if the bondsman fails to maintain the standards established, he pays the bond with no opportunity of recovery), to maintain the success rate of the commercial bail recovery industry, establish minimal standards and payment on production, as it is now. (no coasters here!) Base salary and vehicles that would allow subsistence only and would not attract anybody that could fog up a mirror, but the best and most confident of all investigators from any agency or none at all, with no age requirements. If you are not successful, you will not make it. It would be a self cleaning oven of an agency and not an Albatross.
More thought provoking discussion...
Scott
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Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc.
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301-392-1900 (Office)
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SpanielPI
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Post subject: Re: Federalizing BEA's Posted: Sat 27 Sep 2008 21:33 |
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I'm interested in what others think.....
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MarshallSvc
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Post subject: Re: Federalizing BEA's Posted: Sat 27 Sep 2008 22:04 |
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Location: Pennsylvanaia
FRN Agency ID #: 2087
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It could be a double edge sword.
Yes it would legitimize the industry greatly and weed out the bad apples. Give us all standard rules, regulations and federal jurisdiction to complete our task, as well as all the positives Scott mentioned.
On the other side of the coin, where do we fall in line if we are under Homeland Security? Does this cross the Law Enforcement lines? Generally a fugitive forfeits his rights (miranda) as we re-arrest them, but does any of this change. Just like Scott said, it could ad a miriad of issues.
Now being an independent contractor and not being a "sworn" agent for HS may eliminate this, but that is where the bureaucracy comes in and could mess up the whole industry in that each person has their way of doing business, albeit professional, and may turn a lot of good people away from this industry if Federalized and under bureaucratic bulls**t.
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