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Task force. Does s Staff sgt. Dan or Sgt. Russ know that you are doing this? I would let them know sooner than latter.

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"Sub Rosa"

Very well put Scott and Ruffin.
I was not in that class but I am thinking that Ruffin must have stayed awake and took notes

I am also with Scott on this IF the individuals can provide the documentation ~ and it would not hurt to have a contact in Canada.

taskforcesecurity ~ take the time to read here ~ we may be downright cantankerous at times but . . . you will always find us sincere.

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Great response. I will look into it more with the bailiff we work with.

as well, the picture I posted, was an arrest made at one of our security contracts, we have the right to arrest on property we are protecting. Just a random photo.

I personally own land in the Maritime Provinces, prince Edward Island to be exact. The land has been in my family since the 1700's, a land grant from King George the 6th I believe.

The response was not a slight on you, Canadians or my own heritage. It is very simply that services were offered from members of your country to citizens of the USA that may or may not be legal to partake off. Since our country changed telco laws in January of this year, and some of my previous sources are doing Federal time, I have a strong desire not to join them. Further, this industry is rife with people that go off half cocked, ill informed and ignorant to the potential liability that they may incur by their actions. As a result of their ill advised behavior, our politicians will attempt to legislate our industry out of business. No commercial bail here, means no need for your services there.

It is simply trying to educate individuals that are portraying themselves as experts that are not cognizant of this situation, and they should be. I will not apologize to you or anyone else for protecting my livelihood. Your cavalier response to my concerns and those of others that took their prescious time to attempt to educate you, or allow you to educate us, gives me pause. Lastly, obviously unbeknown to you, our Federal Government is operating sting operations presented very similar to your presentation, to trap investigators in the USA. Therefore, our cautiousness in engaging you.

Scott

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Unless one is planning to visit Canada, the dollar comparison is useless. Like the US, Canada has lost some of its manufactoring base to overseas countries.

So we don't get the home appliances, some electronic and even as much meat products as we used to from up North.

However, the auto makers still have many assembly and parts manufactoring there.

Sorry you feel that most of the US think that you guys are a 4th world country. I haven't personally experience that sentiment with those I know. In fact, my experience is just the opposite.

They see Canada as a safe, gun free society, free public health care for all and more in tuned with the world opinion on the war on terror and global warming.

NOT THAT I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT! But we all have the right to our own opinions.

I hope your feelings about the US wasn't influenced by the South Park episode that blamed Canada for everything . It's a cartoon!

OMG . . . I thought that Monty Pyton was a mockery

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I don't see potential liability for the Surety with the creative scenario described here, I have had clients bonds exonerated after tracking skips to IL, based on the fact that I located the skip and then had local Police make the arrest, we all know IL is a no hunt state but the out of state court (OH) recognized that the surety met their obligations by locating the skip and engaging the Police to arrest him, the fact that the Police actually made the arrest did not negate the efforts of the surety.

As for the Security Guards they could be in violation of the law if there is a requirement to have a PI license for skip tracing in CA and they don't have one, and the Bailiff could be in violation of the law if he is acting outside the scope of his duties, that being said I don't think any of those issues would effect the surety.

Anyone that's been doing this for a while has had to be creative at one time or another.

Chuck,

The scenario you are describing is slightly different than what these guys are offering/doing.

Basically, what you are doing is bond exoneration via leo arrest/extradition with no money being paid to anyone by the surety for the APPREHENSION.

However, what this company is doing is basically double dipping. In order for them to arrest the skip, the defendant must first have an interpol warrant on him or other type of federal, NCIC, DEA, FBI, U.S. Marshall, etc type of warrant on him that includes INTERNATIONAL EXTRADITION.

The 2nd requirement for them to do this is that they must also be wanted by a surety company. So they arrest the defendant on the criminal warrant, then they bill the surety for the apprehension or something to that effect. This is what I meant by they are playing both sides of the fence.

Example: Say I have a skip that jumps to thier country, city, etc. The skip is in NCIC, but with limited extradition. Also, it is not in INTERPOL or any of the other databases I mentioned earlier. These guys could not then legally apprehend the skip based solely on my bondsman's warrant.
It is illegal for them to do so. It's the same issue/liability that we have with Mexico.

Now if the Canadian authorities expel the defendant out of thier country, and he/she returns to U.S. soil, then yes, we can then possibly get them into physical custody. But here again, no money can be paid to the authorities for thier actions or assistance.

That's the whole key here.

Just my opinions on this matter. If anyone can show me Canadian Law that I can physically read for myself and confirm with Canadian Authorities that what these people are offering/doing is 100% COMPLETELY LEGAL, then I will gladly embrace thier services. But until then, I will question thier legality.

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That was Chuck, Ruffin. Not me. Took me a minute to figure it out .

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Blackshear Investigations
Blackshear Bail Bonds
Sales Associate, Prepaid Legal Services, Inc.
Walsenburg, CO

Proud Member of the AB Reject Club

My apologies Kathy...

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