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Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Many members have joined the association as a result of the Chapmans then before they were invited to speak.

That is our fault. We need to approach them for membership and state that it is predicated on individual speakers that are representative of our industry, not the converse.

There opinion on bail enforcement is based on the financial support from the insurance companies. The insurance companies get sued everytime a bail recovery goes bad. Their position is that they were not a party to writing the bail and were not a party to hiring the recovery agent. The bail agent is exactly that, an agent, not an employee. They desire to protect that relationship. As far as bail commissions go, the bondsman receives the lion's share, not the insurance company. But the insurance company is where the buck stops. If bondsman would pay the bond off and sue the indemnitor, there would be no additional risk exposure. If the indemnitor flakes out, the bond should not have been written.

There were members of the insurance industry that testified before congress that they never hire Bail Enforcement Agents, and I have been personally hired by a large number of them. Plausible Deniability at it's best.

We are all running businesses, in what ever capacity in this industry. I can understand both sides as well as the dicotomy. I don't have to agree with it. I can't voice my opinion, as Tony Suggs had the courage to do, if I am not a member. It is also an excellent networking opportunity, representative of the handfull of business cards I left with.

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dicotomy - tried looking this up like to know what new words (to me) mean. Couldn't find in the dictionary so I yahoo'd it and it seems to mean 'false dilemma' at I getting this right?

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di·chot·o·my /daɪˈkɒtəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dahy-kot-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -mies. 1. division into two parts, kinds, etc.; subdivision into halves or pairs.
2. division into two mutually exclusive, opposed, or contradictory groups: a dichotomy between thought and action.
3. Botany. a mode of branching by constant forking, as in some stems, in veins of leaves, etc.
4. Astronomy. the phase of the moon or of an inferior planet when half of its disk is visible.


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[Origin: 1600–10; < Gk dichotomía. See dicho-, -tomy]

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n. pl. di·chot·o·mies

Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions: "the dichotomy of the one and the many" (Louis Auchincloss).
Astronomy The phase of the moon, Mercury, or Venus when half of the disk is illuminated.
Botany Branching characterized by successive forking into two approximately equal divisions.


[Greek dikhotomiā, from dikhotomos, divided in two : dikho-, dicho- + temnein, to cut; see tem- in Indo-European roots.]


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1610, from Gk. dichotomia "a cutting in half," from dicha "in two" + temnein "to cut" (see tome).

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: a division or forking into branches; especially : repeated bifurcation

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a separation into two divisions that differ widely from, or contradict each other

It would have been a major help to you if I spelled it correctly!

Dichotomy

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Scott,

I am looking forward to seeing you again in Knoxville, Tn. in April. I've already made my reservations with Joe S.

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Joe promissed be some hill side hooch!

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ahhhh.... a false dilemma :wink:

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Ladies and Gents,

I have made my decision:


March 4, 2007

Board of Directors
Professional Bail Agents of the United States

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I will get right to the point of this letter. I’m resigning as a member from the PBUS. This was not a decision that was easily or quickly decided.

When I became a California Bail Agent almost 8 years ago, it was a career change that I didn’t make without many reservations. My very limited knowledge and opinion of bail, bail agents and their clients was not a particular good one. It was hardly a “profession” that I thought of being, professional.

However, before even obtaining my bail license, my mother in law, who was dying from stomach cancer, told me to dress, act and be professional! Both of my in laws operated their bail bond agency in the utmost professional manner. When I began working with them, I continued that work ethic to this day.

Later as I got to meet other bail agents, I met many that believed in the same ethics that I did. I joined the local, state and PBUS bail agent associations. I met many ethical, professional bail agents from all over California and the U.S.

Probably since bail evolved into its current form decades ago, it has had a negative image associated with it. Today there are scandals plaguing bail agents and the bail recovery side of the business. The good bail and recovery agents are fighting hard to counteract the problems caused a few bad agents that grab all the headlines.

So, this past conference in Las Vegas brought this issue to a head with me. Last year, when Mr. Chapman was invited to speak and take photos with attendees, I almost boycotted the conference. But, because there was an election of the board of officers, I was persuaded to attend. This year, when Mrs. Chapman was invited to speak, again I was planning not to attend. However, as I just became one of the CBA class instructors, I needed to honor my committed to that.

The issues I have with the Chapman’s are many. But the least is one of being envious as I’m sure I will be labeled. I worked in television broadcasting for 30 years. I have seen, met and shaken hands with many celebrities and politicians. So, I’m not star struck or in awe of them.

The Professional Bail Agents of the U.S. appears to want to have the Chapman’s as the faces of, or the image of today’s bail agents. As President Braswell stated at the Thursday’s luncheon, for decades the PBUS was unable to get any press coverage of the conference. When Mr. Chapman appeared last year and Mrs. Chapman appeared this year the PBUS was at least mentioned in the local newspaper. In my opinion that’s a big problem.

If the only way for the PBUS to get press coverage is to invite the Chapmans, then it really does have an image and message problem. How credible can the PBUS be when nearly all those attending the Tuesday morning forum with the Chapman’s give them multiple standing ovations for actions that were illegal? Are we supporting law breakers now?

Isn’t it our jobs to ensure that our clients appear in court? Then how can those attending the Tuesday forum advocate for and support Mr. Chapman’s actions? He was given bail and ordered to appear back in court. He fled! Now he’s fighting extradition because it’s the equivalent of a misdemeanor! If he’s innocent, should he not go back and prove it?

It’s ironic. The attorney for Luster stated that he fled because he was innocent, but didn’t believe he was getting a fair trial. Two innocent men on the run, one to Mexico and one from Mexico.

During the Q & A after Mrs. Chapman spoke, all I could think of is how they have become the victims. First it was the surety companies were against them, them the cops who get paid by the hour as “Dog” has to work all year to bring in skips and finally the Mexican and American governments are conspiring against them. Oh, I forgot the “group” from New Hampshire and the former CBAA president that wrote a letter to the Ventura County Court about the Luster reward. The Chapman’s are now the victims!

I could document at least 4 legal reasons why Mr. Chapman had no authority to “arrest” Luster in Mexico and why he was not entitled to any part of the bail posted for Luster. If you are interested, I will provide that documentation. However, the fact that he lost his argument for collecting on his “expenses” in court says a lot. By the way, you all know that it was not any hard work on his part that lead him to Luster. It was an American tourist that saw Luster and happened to have seen Mr. Chapman on television and called him to give him the location of Luster. Mr. Chapman had no clue as to Luster’s location.

The Chapman’s never answered my simple question. Mrs. Chapman then tried to paint me as someone that didn’t know the California law. For the record, the statute that she was trying quote did not allow for expenses to be paid to private parties. It was reimbursement to government agencies that were involved in the trial and or capture of the defendant.

Mrs. Chapman then resorted to name calling. That’s was very professional! Even that garnered applause and an ovation! This was from fellow bail agents that I used to have a very positive view of. Not anymore.

Mrs. Chapman said she was ruthless. No she and he are just rude and again unprofessional.

Some one told me that as I left the meeting that morning, that Mr. Chapman stated that he was just like me once and that I would be back. If I had heard those comments at the time, I would have resigned then and there! No Mr. Chapman was never like me.

I have never committed or been convicted of any felonies or misdemeanors. I don’t have a dozen children all over the country. I’ve never had God write me messages in the sky telling me to go find a skip.

I can’t in all honesty claim to be moral and ethical in this business and belong to an organization that chooses to identify itself with persons that are the perfect example of what’s wrong with the business today.

If and when the PBUS can develop its own image and message that lives up to its name, I will consider re joining. In the meantime, I will focus my energies on running a truly “professional” bail agency and countering the negatives caused by people like them.

Tony A. Suggs
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A+ Tony....too bad it wont do any good.

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You go guy

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