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Post subject: NOT So Less-Than-Lethal Posted: Thu 06 Jan 2005 10:50 |
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Joined: Thu 25 Dec 2003 14:26 Posts: 430 Location: Tracy, California
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Experience: More than 10 years
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I don't want to re-hash the less-than-lethal "LTL" discussion in detail here, but c'mon people.
Rubber bullets fired from a shotgun should not be used in-doors where normal distances are typically no greater than the largest part of the living area; otherwise, the close proximity between the target and the shotgun could produce a lethal result.
I'm not pointing fingers or second-guessing Mr. Smith, but I've made this point clear before. At any rate, I wasn't there, so I can't speak in support of or against Mr. Smith's decision.
Without getting into argument over the Taser issue, the plain and simple fact is that some people (reportedly over 70 since 2001) have died after being subdued with a Taser--I know that Taser is a company name of an electronic device that shoots out barbs and all.
If the reports are accurate, then how could a device be billed as LTL?
Last I heard, a Clark County Nevada cororner ruled a post-taser death a homicide, but I haven't heard anything on that since.
LTL devices should only be used for justifiable Self-Defense and not for making an arrest easier.
Finally, most of the pros herein are on the record voicing concerns that it only takes one incident to cause changes that may or may impact the trade in general--for better or worse.
Rex
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DMARTZ
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Post subject: Posted: Fri 07 Jan 2005 14:33 |
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Joined: Thu 29 Jul 2004 20:23 Posts: 1632 Location: Fort Wayne, IN
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Bladerunner 13,
I am sure nobody here took your post as criticism of MR. Smith. I found it to be informative on the subject of LESS- than- Lethal weapons and rounds..Hope you and yours have a good weekend.
_________________ The Rose Investigations LLC Collection Agency Security & Investigations Consultant Retired Private Investigator & Bail Enforcement NAM VET 1969- 1975 US Army (RECON) Office 260-220-3877 1-888-631-5520 Fax 260-456-6062
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HGUNNER
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Post subject: LTL ROUNDS Posted: Sun 09 Jan 2005 14:36 |
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Joined: Sun 30 Mar 2003 19:43 Posts: 774
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PEOPLE ALL PROJECTILES HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING LETHAL-IN BOSTON A WOMEN WAS KILLED WHEN A PEPPER BALL STRUCK HER IN THE EYE CAUSING BRAIN DAMAGE-RUBBER BULLETS ARE A LONGER RANGE LTL DISTANCES UNDER 35 YARDS OR HEAD HITS CAN BE LETHAL-BEAN BAG ROUNDS ARE USED FOR SHORTER DISTANCE SUCH AS IN A HOUSE BUT STILL CAN BE LETHAL AT ANY RANGE-TASERS HAVE KILLED PEOPLE AND SO HAS BATONS ALSO FIST FIGHTS-ANY AND ALL VIOLENCE CAN RESULT IN THE SKIPS DEATH OR EVEN THE BEAS OR INNOCENT BYSTANDER DEATH.THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND HAVE PD BACKUP ON ANY AND ALL ARRESTS EVEN REVOCATIONS IN MY AREA WE HAVE PD BACK US UP ON REVOCATIONS TO KEEP THE PEACE-AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I HAVE TAKEN LIFE 6 TIMES IN THE LINE OF DUTY-I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES -I WISH THE PENN BEAS ALL THE BEST-THE SAME SCENARIO COULD HAPPEN TO PD AND ANY ONE OF US LETS SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE IN EVERY WAY WE CAN
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L.A.W.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun 09 Jan 2005 16:58 |
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Joined: Sat 07 Jun 2003 13:51 Posts: 705 Location: New England
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I concur.
_________________ Lance Allen Wilkinson
Recoveries by L.A.W.
Serving since 1984
“What is sought is found... what is overlooked escapes” (Oedipus Rex)
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