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marc_spector
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Post subject: Handcuffs. Posted: Fri 29 Jul 2011 21:37 |
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Joined: Thu 21 Jul 2011 19:26 Posts: 109 Location: Minnesota
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Experience: < 3 years
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Just a few questions... looking for some different opinions... Anyone on here use in the past, or currently use; rigid cuffs? If so, what was your experience with them? What potential liability issues could there be using them?
Hinged vs. Chain?
Anyone on here using flex cuffs? Any disadvantages?
I do not do recovery full time, so I only have 2 pairs of handcuffs at the moment. I have one pair of S&W Model 300 Hinged handcuffs, and 1 pair of chained ASP Handcuffs. I have the hinged cuffs for the apprehension and the chained cuffs for transport.
_________________ (Freelance) Recovery Agent, MN.
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tsuggs
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Tue 02 Aug 2011 10:40 |
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Joined: Thu 09 Mar 2006 14:51 Posts: 3344
FRN Agency ID #: 3904
Experience: More than 10 years
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There is no liability issue if, you arrest the correct person and use the cuffs properly.
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OrangeCountyBounty
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Tue 02 Aug 2011 14:19 |
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Joined: Fri 27 Mar 2009 21:26 Posts: 993 Location: Orange, CA
FRN Agency ID #: 3671
Experience: 3 - 5 years
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I personally hate hinged cuffs. Tougher to maneuver in a tactical situation. Made one of my agents leave his home and by a chain pair.
_________________ Tom Duprey Founding member, NABBI (Nat'l Assoc. of Bail Bond Inv.) Ca. Bail Agent Lic#1845795 Owner/Operator, Thomas Duprey Bail Bonds Owner/Operator, Orange County Bounty (714) 727-4689
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KARMA
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Tue 02 Aug 2011 17:48 |
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Joined: Mon 14 Feb 2005 10:59 Posts: 7563 Location: Arkansas
FRN Agency ID #: 340
Experience: More than 10 years
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I agree with Tony. There is no liability when re-arresting the correct person and properly applying the cuffs. You will find that hinged cuffs are not very workable for the large person and cuffing them behind. Some times multiple sets are required. There is a thread here about cuffs . . . utilize the search function. There is also a guy here (used to be til he went to war in another country) that used a hinged set with a rigid retainer encasing hinge (looking for a photo) . . . one hand application The choice is all in the user . . . use what you feel comfortable with and what works best for you. One will only get one chance at getting the cuffs on before they realize what is really happening
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Do not consider anything for your interest which makes you break your word, quit your modesty, or inclines you to any practice which will not bear the light, or look the world in the face .... Marcus Antonius I AM Some Folks "KARMA" and A MODERATOR @ FRN
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skipman
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Wed 03 Aug 2011 14:41 |
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Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2011 14:15 Posts: 2
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One thing I want to mention about handcuffs is make sure you always double lock them. If you don't the suspect can sit on them and tighten them causing injury which you may be liable for. Also, when you apply handcuffs make sure you can get your finger under them to ensure they are not too tight.
If you are using flex cuffs, make sure you buy REAL flex cuffs and not some knock-offs. Zip-Ties do not work as flex cuffs.
If you are doing transports invest in belly chains and leg irons. This will prevent injury to your suspect and provide more comfort to them for the journey. I know comfort isn't your prime concern, but a comfortable suspect will usually be a cooperative suspect.
Lastly, if you haven't done so take a handcuffing class. Not only is it to CYA but it will allow you to practice various cuffing techniques to see what you are comfortable with. The goal is safe, rapid cuffing. You won't be good at every technique but you need to be good at some or else you wont get hurt.
I will post this warning for everyone - when I was on the PD we had an officer seriously injured by a pair of handcuffs. The officer was attempting to arrest a violent suspect and had one handcuff on him. The suspect broke free and attempted to punch the officer. The free cuff opened and the prawl caught the officer right above the eye causing a significant gash and almost taking the eye out. Make sure your cuffs are properly "loaded" to prevent them from flying open and always maintain control of your cuffs.
_________________ Mike Ledgerwood WA PI Lic. # 3367 Titan Investigations (360) 873-8945
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h988
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Fri 19 Aug 2011 07:31 |
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Joined: Mon 07 Sep 2009 12:05 Posts: 56 Location: New Mexico
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I use the S&W 104 (max.Sec.) the non standard key is a plus. Ther is a comp. www.magnalight that makes a plastic key. It is designed to avoid a metal det. It is so small it would be hard to find. On the sight www.oktrooper.com it shows how to break a cuff chain with a seat bealt . The Nat. Istuitute of Justice created a updated standard for cuffs on Jult 2010 (0307.02)
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Chris waya Pope
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Fri 19 Aug 2011 10:07 |
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Joined: Mon 13 Jun 2011 13:18 Posts: 10 Location: Wrightsville Georgia
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Experience: 3 - 5 years
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I have used both in the past. I must agree though that with proper application there is a very minimal risk of anything happening. I stopped using rigid and went back to hinge for one reason only. I like to guide my customers to the car with on hand on the shoulder and one on the cuff.
_________________ Chris Pope Cell 478-595-7364
I am what I am and not what I never will be
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NYPD BLUE
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Sat 20 Aug 2011 15:33 |
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Joined: Thu 16 Dec 2010 10:07 Posts: 1033 Location: Miami, FL
FRN Agency ID #: 3828
Experience: More than 10 years
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After cuffing our guys initially at the apprehension stage with use either Hinged or Link Cuffs depending on which agent grabs the subject.. then prior to placing the subject into the car for transport to the jail we Plastic Flex Cuff them so we dont get our handcuffs stolen by the Corrections guys at the jail cause there are usually an easy 5 - 30 prisoners being booked one after another...
_________________ JEFF P. Limited Surety Agent (FL) - License # P_2O8124_ Private Investigator (FL) - License # C_27OOO33_ NABBI Member
"Surprise Sex is the Best Thing to Wake up to, UNLESS, You are in Jail... "
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docmike
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Sat 20 Aug 2011 23:38 |
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Joined: Sun 26 Nov 2006 04:28 Posts: 679 Location: San Jose
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Experience: 7 - 10 years
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I only use the hinged cuffs if we are transporting hands in front. We can cuff the def in front with no ability to twist ect, then a cuff between the door handle and the outside cuff.
_________________ Mike Norcal Bail Enforcement San Jose Ca. 360 237 1721 efax 408 402 2710 work cell DOI Bail Agent Lic 1844214 BSIS G1533544
Go hug a Tree
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Mdbtyhtr
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Post subject: Re: Handcuffs. Posted: Sun 21 Aug 2011 08:12 |
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Joined: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:22 Posts: 3982 Location: Maryland and Virginia
FRN Agency ID #: 455
Experience: More than 10 years
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Mike, you can never secure a defendant to the vehicle other than seat bets. Should you get in an accident and the defendant is not able to be extricated, that is all on you.
Scott
_________________ R.E. "Scott" MacLean III
"Leaders are like Eagles, you never see them in a flock, but one at a time"
Chesapeake Group Investigations, Inc. Chesapeake Bail Bonds 877-574-0500 301-392-1100 (fax) 301-392-1900 (Office)
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