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 Post subject: Re: Business Advice............
 Post Posted: Sat 05 Feb 2011 11:25 
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Maybe if we expand on this conversation for a bit, it may help you understand the bail side.

You stated that you tell the bondsman that it is safer for you to apprehend the skips than for the bondsman doing it themselves.

Why? Please explain that.

How long have you been doing recovery? What is your training? Have better equipment? Better contacts or resources? In better physcial shape? Know the area better? Do you have liability insurance?

Do you ever think that the bondsman may be better in all or most of the above catagories than you are?

The bondsmans main concern is with liability. No matter how much you profess to operate safely, your altimate goal is to get the skip! Otherwise, you risk not getting called again to work a case for that bondsman if you fail to get that skip.


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 Post Posted: Sat 05 Feb 2011 11:41 
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In the original post, among the things you've tried (and I've exhaustively done ALL of them), something HUGE is missing:FACEBOOK. I have driven to hell and gone all over LA and Orange County and ventured some into both Riverside and San Diego counties. This is a large area and accounts for probably more than 100 bail bonds offices. However....at the end of every marathon solicitation day...I go home and see how many of those agents are on Facebook. Nearly all of them are and I "friend request" every one. Then, and this separates me from much of the pack, when I'm working a case, I put every move I make (that isn't of an immediate and sensitive nature) in a status post. This shows my bondsman "friends" that I'm active and gives them an idea of how I work. Of course I don't post specifics such as a bail agent or company name or my skip's name. To paraphrase the old sales mantra:always be advertising. I closed a case 17 days ago and am currently working another. The second one mentioned was actually the first one started and Facebook posts about it caused the other bondsman to call me resulting in a quick and easy one closed shortly thereafter. And you can believe I posted about the closing g of that one!

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tsuggs wrote:
Maybe if we expand on this conversation for a bit, it may help you understand the bail side.

You stated that you tell the bondsman that it is safer for you to apprehend the skips than for the bondsman doing it themselves.

Why? Please explain that.

How long have you been doing recovery? What is your training? Have better equipment? Better contacts or resources? In better physcial shape? Know the area better? Do you have liability insurance?

Do you ever think that the bondsman may be better in all or most of the above catagories than you are?

The bondsmans main concern is with liability. No matter how much you profess to operate safely, your altimate goal is to get the skip! Otherwise, you risk not getting called again to work a case for that bondsman if you fail to get that skip.


We have been in the recovery business for over three years.

As far as it being safer for us to apprehend the skip . Every bondsman is different if one of my bondsman says they will do it themselves I have no doubt to think they cant handle the job Trust me I have a few bondsman that will work the case first and give me the scraps when they are done :mrgreen: But we are trained to do the job and we have a team of people as apposed to a single bondsman. I have actually gone with one of my bondsman to get a skip because she wanted to do it herself and I felt more comfortable being there in case she needed me.

Our training. My team and I have gone through alot of training to better our ability to apprehend in a safe and efficient manner. I would never do anything to endanger myself or my team members or put my bondsman at risk, we are not "cowboys" Our training includes tactical safe entry, advanced handcuff and defense technique, taser , oc spray, post certified , and basic first responder certified.My wife has certs in cultural diversity training, hostage negotiation training, and domestic violence training all from her law enforcement background.

As far as being better equipt I would have to say we are, only because it is our necessary equipment for our job. We carry firearms as well as taser and oc spray and wear our protective vests . We have the necessary time to put together an effective and safe means of apprehension as well as the time to do intelligence and surviellance. I dont treat any case as an easy apprehension when people are desperate they will do almost anything not to go to jail. Bondsman are always busy and dont always have the time to deal with a skip and the necessary work that goes into the location and safe apprehension which is where we come in.

Contacts and resources. We have over the years developed very usefull relationships with the local law enforcement agencies in which we do our recovery. We have officers that will transport for us, assist in apprehensions if needed and have also worked with the Denver narcotics task force in apprehending suspects we were both looking for. We do also use alot of the recources that most people use including IRB searches ect. Because we are out there in the field on a regular basis we have the ability to build and maintain relationships with anyone that can aid in our success.

As far as better physical shape I can say for myself that I am in excellent shape. i am 6ft 230 lbs with about 10% body fat 8) and was a fitness trainer for 3 years. I also compete in 5k and 10k races at least every couple months so if you run I will catch you :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

We do have an extensive knowledge of the area we work in since weve been doing recovery in the same areas for over three years. For some reason all our skips like to hide in the same two cities :shock:

We do not have liability insurance any more we did for a while when we merged into a larger company for a bit but it became to expensive to maintain for our selves only because the rate goes up if u carry. I know no one is perfect but we do all we can to make sure that the recovery goes down without incident. We have never in all the cases we have done had anyone in our team injured or any defendants hurt due to our actions. We take pride in providing a safe service to our bondsman.


In regards to the question about the bondsman being better at any of the above mentioned services there will always be someone better than you at something and I take as much advice from these people as I can to better my knowledge of the business. If the bondman is better than me than they dont need my services but i will still offer it in case they dont have the time or need an extra hand.

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There is a key word in there at the end of your post.Your main selling point should probably be about them not having the TIME rather than them not being as safe as you would be.It is almost an insult to state anything other than them just not having the time.I do agree though on one point,we as recovery agents are usually trained in only that so we do in a way specialise in that aspect of the industry.Not to say that bondsmen cant take the same classes as we do but more often than not they do not.As I said though that shouldnt be a factor in looking for work,it may be taken as a slight insult if we bring that up.Insulting our client will not benefit us in anyway.Maybe point out that you know the areas well and that you specialise in the recovery aspect of the industry but do so in a way that does not come off as you saying you are better than they are.Hopefully you are not taking my advice as criticism but as what it really is and that is informative and of course it is only my opinion and everyone has those!! :)

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Jayc4929 wrote:
There is a key word in there at the end of your post.Your main selling point should probably be about them not having the TIME rather than them not being as safe as you would be.It is almost an insult to state anything other than them just not having the time.I do agree though on one point,we as recovery agents are usually trained in only that so we do in a way specialise in that aspect of the industry.Not to say that bondsmen cant take the same classes as we do but more often than not they do not.As I said though that shouldnt be a factor in looking for work,it may be taken as a slight insult if we bring that up.Insulting our client will not benefit us in anyway.Maybe point out that you know the areas well and that you specialise in the recovery aspect of the industry but do so in a way that does not come off as you saying you are better than they are.Hopefully you are not taking my advice as criticism but as what it really is and that is informative and of course it is only my opinion and everyone has those!! :)


No insult taken at all from anyones advice :mrgreen: I do agree with you about the insult of saying they cant do the job in a safe manner I merely let them know that we as well can complete the task safely and in a timely manner as to alleviate any pressures they have on the side of having to do regular business and catching a skip. I sell according to who I am talking to if you have been around long enough you can easily adjust to any type of personality. I never sell myself as being better than the bondsman just that we are good at what we do and want to provide the service to them if they so choose to use it. I have great respect for all of my bondsman they are interesting people and each one is as different as the next in how they conduct business that is what makes this industry exciting. Thank you everyone for all the awesome responses and please dont think that We would ever think ourselves better than any of you we are all in the business to do good and change peoples perspective on how recovery works. There is great knowledge to be gained here from all of you that have been in the business for longer than I have.
:mrgreen: :lol: I am just a grasshopper here to learn :lol: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Business Advice............
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Just point I was getting at.

Don't approach all bondsman the same way. By saying you can do the job safer than them, assumes that none of them have any training or experience in picking up skips. Some will take it as you are saying that you are "better" than them.

In most cases, you will be right. But everyone has a bit of an ego that you will have to read in that first talk to determine how to approach them.

I can tell when agents come in my office, whether or not I would consider using them or not fairly quickly. Its a lot of things. The demeanor is the most important.

Not to toot anyones horn here but, when I first met Randy, we talked and I knew right then if I needed help I would call on him. Same when I met Tom down in Pomona. Or Troy from Sacramento and probably several others that I have met in person.

Then there are so many that I would not consider hiring at all. For me it is my guts first impression. I am sure that I have been wrong before. Well, maybe I have been wrong. Maybe I have been wrong about being wrong.


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tsuggs wrote:
I am sure that I have been wrong before. Well, maybe I have been wrong. Maybe I have been wrong about being wrong.



:mrgreen: Or as a good friend of mine always says "I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken" :lol: :mrgreen:

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Get a day job... do this for fun to start... thats my advice...

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I would just say that here in ohio a lot of us do our own skips but I would use a recovery agent with help out of state for sure.

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MadMadi is right. At this point in economy, it's best to have additional revenue coming in. I haven't had a single fresh skip case since November. What's worse is I had a very old case where I found the skip recently (by accident really), so I called the bondsman to tell him the good news (I was very happy). But the bondsman tells me not to pick them up because a family member was making payments on the bond, and he preferred getting funds :oops: . You can't blame the bondsman, they have to pu bead on the table too! The market is just bad right now. However, wait it out. Follow the advice from members. Over time, bondsman will notice who stuck around and who quit.

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