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| Author: | global [ Thu 13 Nov 2008 19:23 ] |
| Post subject: | FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
At the expense of sounding sarcastic, I feel that the most wanted board needs updating more often or at least more activitiy. I really think the most wanted list is more of a trophy wall than a networking list of wanted fugitives. OK so you caught the guy. Don't parade him around town like a trophy buck. Scratch him from the board and go to the next case. After all, these guys are usually human beings. I don't think it is fair to them to keep them on a list with other wanted people. They aren't wanted anymore. they are caught. Spare them some dignity, please. Who knows, how you handle their arrest and documentation may have an impact on how their future turns out. You never know. I'm sorry, but this has bothered me since I first started networking with all of you. Maybe I have to much heart, who knows? |
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| Author: | tristateintell [ Thu 13 Nov 2008 19:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
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| Author: | SpanielPI [ Thu 13 Nov 2008 20:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
What about the dignity of thier victims ? The sr citizen who was beaten and robbed ? The child who was molested ? The young girls/women who were raped ? The immigrant who was beaten simply because they aren't "American" ? The hard working shop owner who gets robbed weekly because he can't afford to relocate to the "Better" part of town ? Public humiliation has long since been a form of punishment as well as an attempt at deterring crime since the beginning of time. You dont want to be "paraded" then don't committ any crimes. |
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| Author: | AWOBB [ Thu 13 Nov 2008 20:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
RWB wrote: What about the dignity of thier victims ? The sr citizen who was beaten and robbed ? The child who was molested ? The young girls/women who were raped ? The immigrant who was beaten simply because they aren't "American" ? The hard working shop owner who gets robbed weekly because he can't afford to relocate to the "Better" part of town ? Public humiliation has long since been a form of punishment as well as an attempt at deterring crime since the beginning of time. You dont want to be "paraded" then don't committ any crimes. I agree with ya RWB.... 
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| Author: | Kathy [ Thu 13 Nov 2008 21:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
I don't think that any of us "parade" people around on here just because we can. You will see many more wanted and/or captures (bragging rights) listed on the person's or their company website if they have one. What is posted by the regulars here is usually a larger bond, and charges and circumstances where the person has caused us or his/her victim(s) enough grief that the poster feels the info should be left in place so others are warned about dealing with the person. The general public sees very little of what we discuss among ourselves. We mostly discuss files, information, and ask for assistance in private. I know that there are some that pay for a directory listing, or get their skips listed that aren't active on the forum. I can't speak for them or how they operate. What I can say is that while the directory and "most wanted" list are a benefit, those of us that are active on the forum have gotten to know each other, and we pretty much only work with those we know. There is a major difference in what is posted in public, versus what is discussed in private whether it be in PM's, e-mails, phone calls, or in the private area of the forum. Don't judge us by what you see publicly listed. If you are on the forum, you will know who is active and known. Those are the ones you want to get to know. But back to the wanted listings, if a person posts their most wanted and their subsequent capture, it usually isn't just for bragging rights. Most of us don't need to brag. We know exactly who and what we are. Anything we post in public is simply a warning to others that may not be as well-versed or known. |
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| Author: | global [ Fri 14 Nov 2008 01:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
I understand. Hope I didn't make anybody ill at me or blackball myself here. I hope you understand what I meant. I see the big picture here now and understand the list a little better. And I was just referring to the simple cases not the big ones. I agree with all of you on the child molesters, robbers, and such. I think they should be tied down to a fire ant bed and left for dead. Sorry if I p........ anyone off. thanks, Jim |
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| Author: | SnoWolf [ Fri 14 Nov 2008 06:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
I also find that many will "steal" a caper, if given half a chance. I have had it happen once, on here, already. Someone that never posts, and that I didn't even know exsisted, held a SIQ's family and children at gunpoint and in cuffs until the Siq came out of a bathroom. The SIQs friend and eldest daughter ended up needing medical attention after "they got jumpy" during the apprehension (in the words of the Opratives) and I ended up being questioned, because this sheriff thought it was "me and my crew" because I had been working closely with LE on the case. Quick explaination and denial of association with these cowboys and I was fine......fact is, I was told by the bondsman (who is an illegal bondsman; he holds political office) that he was contacted about the skip after they read some information on FRN. That was my mistake. I posted info, here (well, in the public area, I believe), to ask for help. These guys read it, did some research, and ran with it. The real problem is that I knew where the guy was and could have picked him up at any time.....I did not want to endanger the family, exspecially the children. These guys, obviously, didn't care. So, my bottom line is this; I will probably never use the "Most Wanted" section out of fear that my case may be stolen by those with less honor and/or moral, than myself. |
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| Author: | SpanielPI [ Fri 14 Nov 2008 12:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
Several of us have had problems with that list. I've recieved phone calls, e-mails, etc from total strangers telling me that they know where my def is, and that for x amount of dollars they will turn them over to me. I usually laugh at these idiots. My first question to them is how are they going to legally apprehend anyone, detain them, and extradite them, without any warrants/bail pieces ? I've also been told that the bondsman (my client) hired them to bring the person in, yadda yadda yadda...all kinds of lies. I've also had idiots tell me that my skip was worth $150,000.00 when in fact she is only worth $11,000.00. The biggest thing that these 'cowboys" miss, at least on my ads, is that the reward being offered is for INFORMATION only regardig the defendant's location. It's like Crimestopper's. You call me and tell me where the def is. If I make the apprehension based on your tip, you get paid. It's that simple. A listing for a wanted fugitive is not carte blanche permission for a total stranger to act as a BEA on my behalf. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to comprehend. |
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| Author: | SnoWolf [ Fri 14 Nov 2008 13:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
My posters state that I am offering "possible" money for information, also. In the case I spoke of, Certified BRA's used the information to apprehend and surrender the SIQ and got paid by the bondsman. Fine, cool, no problem....... I know one less person to trust when it comes to business, now. My only problem was that I continued to look for this guy for two days before going to the Sheriff (hoping to swap some information) and got the story of what happened. Since it was an out of county warrant and everyone was arrested due to warrants or the illegal actions, my warrant was still showing as current. So, that was two days I could have been working on something else and about a month that I didn't get paid for. |
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| Author: | Mdbtyhtr [ Sat 15 Nov 2008 07:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FRN MOST WANTED LIST |
To the original post... We must be compassionate in plying our craft and resist giving each other high fives in the presence of the defendant after the capture. As Tom Landry used to say, "No show boating in the end zone after a touch down, don't act like you have never been there before". I am absolutely happy, relieved, blessed when we are allowed to succeed, and I have to resist my end zone dance until the defendant is deposited in the jail. I have witnessed BEA's get real brave when someone was already in cuffs (seen cops act that way too) often cussing out, berating the defendant or actually threatening them and their family. I have never worked with or for these people again. I have tried to correct them and been subject to the same verbal barrage they gave the defendant. This is not at all to be confused with getting in the mud with a defendant that decides that is where it needs to go, or to be sloppy or unsafe in order to be compassionate. There is no better lier than a junkie in jail. If you are deemed by the defendant to be soft or overly compassionate, they will try to take advantage of you. I have been burned by this in the past and have learned and become more cynical in my old age. This will also hurt your bail writing ability if you fall for every song and dance they try to sell you. What starts out bad, doesn't get better! Scott |
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