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Author:  BigDave [ Fri 16 May 2008 18:38 ]
Post subject:  Lost an assignment
Hello to all.
I hope this is not too long for anybody.

I have lost an assignment for 2 skips, bond was for $75,000.00 each. and I am trying to understand why.
I admitted I am a little aggressive and persistent on trying to get the assignment and I hope that wasn't it, but the reason for that is that I was feeling his dilemma because it's already past forfeiture and now on extended time.
Now this, allegedly, is the fault of the notorious USRB in NJ.
As per a USRB report one of the skips is in DR I didn't get no more info because the bondsmen claimed he had reports so I thought I'll wait and read through them myself instead of going through it over the phone.
I told him that a preliminary check by myself revealed that the 2 skips have addresses here in NY and he concurred saying that the co-signers are from NY. So I told him that I can help even if they are in my surrounding areas, but i can't help if they went to DR, I'll check if I can find someone to help if in fact one went to DR.
Since Monday I have been talking to them back and forth and I finally ended it today.
Since Monday they supposedly sent a package with all related information FED EX
I called Tuesday the package already went out. Great.
I called Wednesday. A mix up it went out Tuesday you should receive today or tomorrow. OK
I called Thursday late night still no package. I'll have to get to you tomorrow morning when I get back to the office.
I call Friday. Oh call back he is on another line. I finally say no I have been calling back I never received the package. I get the picture now so I won't bother you no more. I still want to express my curtsy and still would like to help. You have my information if you need my assistance I will be available. Have a nice day and good luck.

Now I'm trying to figure out is where I went wrong. What lead him away. Why would he lead me on saying he sent it.
I was nothing but polite as was he. Sounds to be a good guy to me.
I would have preferred he said: we'll handle it ourselves; we got somebody else; or just plain no thank you.
After all I'm trying to help you. Of course I want to make the money, but ultimately your the one losing 150 grand.
If anybody in interested I'll give you the contact info and maybe someone else can get a shot.
Thanks
Dave
Author:  SpanielPI [ Fri 16 May 2008 20:41 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
David,

You didn't do anything wrong. You're going to have to learn not to personalize this industry or it will literally kill you from the stress alone.

Own what is yours, discard what isn't. It's not your problem. Like you said, he is the one on the hook for $150k.

The other thing you did is that you gave information to him for free that he may not have already had, thus allowing him to exonerate the bond himself, thus saving his recovery fee.

You will have to learn in this industry, information is MONEY...less is more.

It's like Pi client's...they ask a million questions during the consultation...I had to learn to give a pat answer..."Yes, there are steps you need to take, but since you have not retained me yet, I'll refrain from advising you."

I got burned in my rookie phase because I thought by answering thier questions up front during the consultation, I was actually selling myself and making a good impression resulting in them hiring me...that plan backfired. I basically gave procedures away for free, so they didn't hire me.

In the future, don't work a case until you have a signed contract and agreed upon terms at the outset....as Scott M. Preaches "what starts out bad, doesn't get any better."
Author:  BigDave [ Fri 16 May 2008 20:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
As it's been lately always hearing from you I really appreciate your feedback and help.
The reason I said some addresses popped in NY was to get the assignment because it was A NJ bondsman.
Also he had said that the co-signers were from NY. BLAH>>>BLAH>>>BLAH
WTF am I saying.
Your right I shouldn't have said anything but that I can assist him.
Thank you much for you consistent advice.
Live and learn.
I guess I'm a little overzealous to get my business running.
It was a lot easier working for someone else.

As for the personalization I let it run off me like water.
It didn't bother me that much except that he had me waiting for that fed ex package since Tuesday.
That's why I offered it to anybody else if they want to give it a shot.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Fri 16 May 2008 20:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
working for others is always easier, not always enriching...:)
Author:  BigDave [ Fri 16 May 2008 21:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
Took the words right out my mouth.
Author:  SnoWolf [ Sat 17 May 2008 06:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
There is someone around, that has been trying to tell me about the giving away Intel for free and only owning what is mine, too. Definately, look things over with an open mind. If you see no wrong doing on your part, it only leave the other side with the problem. I have gone through this same type of thing in the past, and RWB is correct, it will stress you to no end if you allow it.
Author:  BigDave [ Sat 17 May 2008 12:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
Thanks for you input snowolf
Come to think of it there are things I said that I should have just left vague, but you live and learn like I said.
Thanks
Dave
Author:  Mdbtyhtr [ Sun 18 May 2008 20:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
Sometimes in an effort to impress, you give them information they did not already have...their response is we already knew that even if they didn't so they won't have to pay you for it. The fact that you were coming across so aggressively could also read desperate which to a bondsman equals liability. The fact that you volunteered information states that you are a rookie, as an experienced investigator has already learned this lesson, and they may not want to risk $150,000 on an inexperienced investigator. Never tell anyone what you can't do. When you come to those road blocks you come here and ask for the help that may very well guide you to a solution and your client gives you all of the credit and the cash!

Never believe that just because he is a bondsman and you are a hunter that he doesn't know how to do it and needs you. He/She may have paid their dues and are concentrating on making new money, or they are too old or busy to hit the streets as well.

Lastly, there is the possibility that their indemnitors have already made good on the bond or are in the process of doing so and giving you the case may mess that deal up.

We have all learned these lessons, some of us more than once! Stay diligent and sell yourself confidently with fewer words. Smart salesman know when to shut up and not talk themselves out of the sale they already have in the bag!

Scott
Author:  BigDave [ Sun 18 May 2008 20:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Lost an assignment
Thanks for that.
Your right I did come across a little too aggressive, but that's only because I'm trying to get some assignments which I guess does equal desperation to an extent. It's not an excuse, but the reason.
And your right about the rookie part to an extent. I don't fully consider myself a rookie to the game because I have done recoveries before, although I am still learning. I am a rookie at getting the assignments myself though.
After getting my own License to work under and starting my own business I have lost those alleged "friends" and contacts and some of the "yahoo bounty hunters" still around will just ruin my name and I don't want that. I will not associate myself with them even if they get work.
Thanks for you advice.
Dave
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