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Author:  Joe Stiles [ Mon 26 Mar 2007 19:05 ]
Post subject:  BEA Seminar and TAPBA
:( I regretfully report that a recent decision of the TAPBA Board of Directors has rendered the BEA Seminar in Knoxville, TN on April 28th and 29th non-compliant for continuing education as it relates to TCA40-11-401 and TCA40-11-318. After speaking with my fellow presenters, it is our decision to continue with the seminar as we feel it is the best interest of the industry. I will also be appealing their decision to the Senate Judiciary Committee. The information presented and the networking opportunities will be like nothing I have ever seen, and I'm still very excited about the seminar. I will tell you that I am becoming persona non grata with the Board of Directors of the TAPBA, but I'm a big boy and can take the heat. I will continue to update you about these matters as they occur.

PS: The Director of Operational Compliance for TRANSCORP has sent in an application and payment and plans on attending. I'm very interested in how TRANSCORP may be able to assist the BEA industry.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Knoxville!!
Author:  SpanielPI [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 06:21 ]
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Joe,

A similar situation occurred in Ga. between the GAPBA and 3rd party examiners. The GAPBA tried to block these other certifiers, but lost thier case when challenged in court. The court stated that as long as 3rd party examiners met the state teaching statutes there wasn't any valid or legal grounds for not permitting them to teach.

This case may be of some benefit to you.
Author:  Joe Stiles [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 08:34 ]
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:) Thanks Ruffin. Do you have the cite for that case? The major thing that upsets me in all of this is the reasoning behind their refusal to certify this class. They made it clear to me that it was only because any class other than their own would detract from their financial windfall. They do not appear interested in the benefit such a seminar would be for the industry in this area and possibly across the country. They have falsely labled me as "bitter", "a rebel", and have alluded to the idea that my hosting of this seminar may be the ruination of the bail industry in this state. They have accused me of using my relationship with the three Scotts to turn them into pawns and that I don't really care about how this affects the industry. Which, if you think about it, is more of an insult to the three Scotts than it is to me. Having known all three of these gentlemen for several years, I can assure anyone who doesn't know them that they are nobody's "pawns". I am not however without my resources. I intend to follow the law and the appeals process until the end. I believe in what we are all trying to accomplish and I am willing to spend whatever it takes to get the state to acknowledge this seminar. Wish me luck.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 10:14 ]
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Joe,

I regret the unprofessional manner in which you are being treated. Those of us who know you, know the truth.

I do not know the exact case citation. However, I can direct you to the company who certified several of us from Alabama.

http://www.findskips.com

Executive Director of Operations: Spencer Hopkins


Education Coordinator: Carol Evancho


Sales and Marketing: Jim Evancho

Mailing Address:

Specialized Protection Services
269 Market Place Blvd.
# 195
Cartersville, Georgia 30161

Phone Contact:

678-721-4906 Office
678-721-4907 Fax

Jim Evancho was the one who told me of the battle with the GAPBA. I would call him and ask if he knows the case cite.
Author:  tsuggs [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 14:09 ]
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Joe,

Here in California, the DOI allows ony 4 entities to teach bail classes. The bail asscociation is one of them. I know recovery work is different and if a similar class was put to together and was asking for credit towards continuing ed, it probably would have to be by one of the 4 already authorized.

Yes it is a money issue first for the bail agent association. I would look into getting the State to accredit your seminars. I am sure that the bail association doesn't have anywhere near the quality and experience speakers that will be there in April.

As far as you or any one else ruining the bail business, thats per b.s.! I'm tired of this turf war crap. I met only one the 3 Scotts. If the other 2 are as knowledgable, professional and dedicated, they are far better than most bondsman I have met!
Author:  Kathy [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 19:42 ]
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Joe, you might contact this company. They posted on another forum that they are now offering GAPB instruction.

Traici & Andy Crutchfield
Atlanta Georgia Private Investigator
Atlanta Georgia Bounty Hunter
Covert Operations, Inc. PDC002166
678.698.0975
http://www.AtlantaI nvestigator. com
Bounty_Hunter_ Fortyone@ ...
Contact@AtlantaInve stigator. com
Author:  Joe Stiles [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 23:16 ]
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Thanks toeveryone for their encouraging words. Unfortunately, the way the Tennsessee Code is worded, it gives exclusive rights to the TAPBA to conduct the classes or approve them. I now feel that the only way to open the industry up to diverse education is to question the constitutionality of the statute. That seems to be the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about.

Tony,
I'm guessing that you met Scott Maclean in Vegas. There aren't enough words in my vocabulary to tell you what he and the other two Scotts have meant to me. While different in their approaches, they are all simply mesmerizing speakers, who at personal sacrifice, have agreed to come together to help me conduct this seminar. Having heard all of them conduct a class, I can tell you that anyone of them would be worth coming to hear. It is a shame that my state association can not get over themselves and join in what I am sure will be the premier event for BEAs this year.
Author:  Kathy [ Tue 27 Mar 2007 23:46 ]
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Joe, I am sure that whether the specific state recognizes it as accepted for their educational purposes or not, it will be invaluable to anyone who attends. I only wish that I could.

Granted, some people will only attend classes, seminars, or meetings that coincide with what is "required" for certification, licensing, or continuing education, but the real pros know that many of these will help them, whether or not it is required (and/or supported) by their state or not. The real investment is in your training and future, period. Learn all that you can from the experts that can teach you, and be successful.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Wed 28 Mar 2007 07:55 ]
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Joe,

Regardless of the state's terminology, they are in violation of other laws, 1 of which may be federal. I would suggest discussing this with a reputable business law attorney.

I don't know the exact federal laws, but I do know it is illegal for an entity to monopolize or "corner the market" on a sepecific industry.
It was this law that forced "Ma Bell" to open up the communications industry to competitors in the '80's.

You are no different than a small business man attempting to provide similar services and then some, that a major corporation currently has "cornered".

The second possible legal issue is "Your right to earn a living". I don't know Tn. law, but here in Al. a person's right to earn a legitimate living cannot be infringed upon.

Just a quick example: In his later years my father was an aero-space consultant. 1 of his clients was really really slow in paying him. You have to understand we are talking about thousands of dollars and months of work invested on a particular government space contract. The "bean counters" of the client kept stalling paying my dad. So he finally advised his point of contact that if his bill was not satisfied within x amount of days, he would pursue litigation under this statute. Amazingly enough, my dad recieved full compensation within a couple of days of that phone call ....

So it seems to me that you may be able to pursue additional litigation under a "Right to Work" law.

Let me know if I can help in any way. It is no secret that myself and several others have been advocating a formation of some sort of BEA organization for the purposes of lobbying, educating, training, and professionalizing this industry. I have spoken to the "3 Scotts" and others such as Lance Wilkinson on multiple occasions regarding this very topic.

Myself and Jay Shell have actually been invited by our local presiding judge to meet and discuss current bail reforms on a local level. We have met briefly already on 1 occasion and had to table it until later in the year when the judge has more time.

So it seems several of us are independently working towards the same goals. I think if we had a national organization, we could be far more effective in causing much needed reforms on a national level.

Again, these are just my own ideas.
Author:  Mdbtyhtr [ Wed 28 Mar 2007 09:49 ]
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Mr. Stiles is an accomplished recovery man and Bail Bondsman, forgetting far more than I will ever know. The ignorance that he is dealing with in TN would have derailed anybody else's efforts to assist this industry. There is a cost/benefit ratio to all of our pursuits, and his are not selfish by any means.
The speakers that he has arranged for this class have all been employed by the association individually, numerous times. Therefore, they have no leg to stand on reference the quality or standards of what will be presented. Secondly, the class is focused on Bail Enforcement, 2 days of solid information that will make any attendee more marketable, profitable and successful.
I have learned from the other presenters at every opportunity that I have been blessed with to speak before my peers. They have always pulled something out of their nether regions, that I did not know or was unaware of, to present to the participants. I am proud to countenance each of them individually as "Brothers", friends and Mentors. I would trust my life in any of their hands, and isn't this what it is all about?

It is clearly unfortunate that the TAPBA hasn't the wisdom to see the benefit of this program. Further, to blame Mr. Stiles for the future decline of the industry is unprofessional and irresponsible. What damage could be done to this industry by teaching the craft to experienced and in-experienced alike? Especially if the same presenters have been hired by the TAPBA?
We take decisions everyday, this one, I fear, will be regretted by the Board of the TAPBA in the very near future.

Scott Harrell is known to many of us for his professional approach to education and continuing education on the internet. He is also a very captivating public speaker, full of knowledge and well prepared. His training is accepted by many states for continuing education requirements of Professional Private Investigators, a group not easily impressed!

Scott Olsen is an accomplishe Bail Bondsman, Educator and Recovery Man, and has been entrusted by Bob Burton to champion the cause of Fugitive Revcovery to the next generations of pliers of this craft.

I believe in all of these guys and do not believe that their motivation is anything other than to benefit the people who put their lives on the line
everyday, not to hurt this or that organization.

Scott
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