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Author:  bailbonds55 [ Thu 25 Jan 2007 22:24 ]
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Hey everybody I am new to the forum and am a part time bail recovery agent. Just wondering about what you guys think about the pepper ball guns. Do any of you guys use them. Even cops are starting to use them. I currently carry mace and a gun when it gets to out of hand. Could some of you guys tell me what you carry when you go bounty hunting and what you guys think about the pepper ball gun. Thanks.
Author:  daronsneed [ Thu 25 Jan 2007 23:06 ]
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I did a search for "pepper" on this website and got this:

http://www.fugitiverecovery.com/forum/v ... ght=pepper

Don't be afraid to spend a few minutes looking through old posts to find answers to old questions.
Author:  bailbonds55 [ Fri 26 Jan 2007 00:12 ]
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Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! I'm thinking about getting one so when I track down them fugitives who ae drug dealers and the people who are high on drugs if they try to fight. Anything is better than carrying a gun. I carry a gun but only when things get really out of hand. But the best protection is GOD. Do all states allow bail recovery agents to carry pepper ball guns? Also what do some of you agents on this forum carry when you go to arrest the fugitive? Thanks and safe hunting for the fugitive.
Author:  saginawmetro [ Fri 26 Jan 2007 09:01 ]
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I carry a gun (concealed), handcuffs, ID and thats about it. Oh yeah.... photos of the skip, laptop in van with external WIFI antenna (our most useful item bar none :) ) BP Vests in veh until needed. And extra cuffs.

To answer your question ref all states... any OC spray in Michigan has to be Civilian strength (2% or less) unless your LE. The ones they sell around here usually have a "Michigan formula" sticker on them. I assume this is the same for "pepperball" guns also. I would have to check the law regarding "shooting projectiles" though. I know Mich is pretty strict on those things.

Terry
Author:  tsuggs [ Fri 26 Jan 2007 16:48 ]
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What ever you use, if you use it you may be required to provide medical treatment before LE or the jail will take custody of your prisoner!

If you pepper a whole room full of "bystanders" again you may have to provide medical treatment for all of them.
Author:  Kathy [ Fri 26 Jan 2007 21:21 ]
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Also, consider the immediate and residual effects of the close proximity while transporting the person in your vehicle.

You can check out most every state's laws by typing in www.state."2 letter abbreviation.com". For example, NY would be www.state.ny.com. Some states have changed their site address, but the standard usually links to it. From the main site, you can do a search and get links to laws as well as court cases and other rulings. Or you can find their state statutes and search from there.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Sat 27 Jan 2007 12:48 ]
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1) The most useful "tool" in our arsenal is our brain...BAR NONE.

2) Our business, at least for the true professionals, is MITIGATING LIABILITY. PERIOD. How do you accomplish this when you increase your client's liability ? Most of the highest paid and successful investigators don't even carry weapons, of any kind.

3) Most of your apprehensions should be calm, low key, unnoticeable, etc. Plain clothes (street clothes to match your target area), just ordinary run of the mill avg citizen going about thier daily routines.

4) I have been doing this for app. 7 yrs now and have deployed a chemical agent once. Upon reflection, I shouldn't have used it then. I should have planned that apprehension better. Live and learn.

So here are some questions for you ?

1) Why encumber yourself with all of this gear ? With a properly planned, timed, coordinated and executed apprehension all of that gear isn't needed.

2) Have you considered the repercussions ? The liability ?

3) Have you considered the "nuisance" factor ? Running, climbing, clearing buildings, fighting ?

4) Have you trained with it ? Distances, enclosed detonations, accidental discharges, ?

5) The "what if" factor ? What if you discharge a round in a house with infant or small children ? non-combatants ? elderly, people with breathing disorders or on oxygen ?

6) Weapon retention: Maintaining control of the weapon in a hand-to hand combat situation, or being attacked by friends or family members of the fugitive, etc.

I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point. The cons of this kind of tool far outwiegh the pros thereby negating any professional useage of this weapon by myself.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Sat 27 Jan 2007 13:05 ]
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Regarding "gear":

1) My Brain

2) My sidearm in a shoulder rig: Ruger .357 magnum 4" revolver

3) 2 pr of handcuffs

4) Badge

5) Flashlight (small one, uses 3 triple "a" batteries, 7 lcd halogen bulbs, size of a roll of qtrs. Fits nicely in the palm of my fist...just like a roll of qtrs... :lol:

Alt. gear depending on criminal history: Blackjack, retractable baton, back up gun, chemical agent, threat level 3a exterior BP vest with front and rear trauma plates ( manufacturer guaranteed to stop 5- 7.62x39 rounds), extra cuffs, leg shackles, belly chains, spare flashlight, binoculars, rubber gloves, extra ammunition (500rds), extra speedloaders, weapons cleaning kit, shaving kit, change of clothes, foul weather gear, camo poncho with liner (great for rural/woods surveillance), toilet paper (you neer know when mother nature willc all you), liquid waterless soap, bottled water, ...that's about it.

All of this stuff I keep in a "Jump bag". I change the clothing out once a week, and I normally stick a dryer sheet like bounce or febreeze in the bag to keep the clothes from stinking. I also stick one in between my vest flaps, helps to eliminate odors, esp in the summer time when sweat and stuff builds up. The shell can be washed, but not the actual panels themselves.

Oh and don't ever forget the ever useful duct tape. I think that about covers it.

Did I miss anything ?
Author:  KARMA [ Sat 27 Jan 2007 13:09 ]
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I think that duct should be all our bags :P :lol:
Author:  daronsneed [ Sat 27 Jan 2007 22:45 ]
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My cocktail of tools is as follows:
1.) Duct Tape
2.) WD40
3.) Hammer

If these don't work...it aint worth it! :)
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