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| Author: | mark cavendish [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 12:46 ] |
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I wanted to check around to see if anyone has ever tried this. There exists an opertunity in my state to work with the Arizona Board of Techniaal registration to help carry follow up control of empty illegal Meth houses. This would be done in cooperation with local law enforcement agencies. Patroling and investigation. While not BEA related. If the money was right under the right circumstances I might look into this. Also smaller urban town courts are thinking about farming out some of there arrest warrents. again under the right conditions there could be money here. Im just looking for some feed back on this. |
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| Author: | SpanielPI [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 14:24 ] |
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While I do not know Az state law myself, it would seem to me that any enforcement of laws would place the contractor acting under the colour of law, thereby making him/her a state recognized law enf. officer. The contractor would also be assuming a tremendous liability not only for themselves but on behalf of the community that is hiring them as well. Now privatization of law enforcement is not a new concept, in this day and time you would have to have a multi-million-dollar aggregate liability insurance policy, leo training, some kind of signed agreement passing the liability onto the community that is hiring you, absolving you of any assumption of said liability, etc. So the question is, like with everything else, is the job worth the stress and risk ? As far as farming out thier warrants, that is not new either. The way around making you a state actor is by the jurisdiction basically doing what they used to do in the 1800's. Posting rewards on these individuals and publicly declaring them as "Wanted". Then you are not working as a leo, rather as a traditional bounty hunter. You would basically negotiate a contract with the community leaders establishing a set price for each fugitive you bring in. Some will be harder than others, some will be easier. By the same token, you can't bankrupt your "client" either. It's like playing poker: you will win more money over several hands by winning small to medium pots, as opposed to going for the big kill. so you should set a reasonable fee of $300-$500 on the hoof for each fugitive brouhgt in. Go for the most recent and easiest ones first, thereby building up your cash flow, then you will have the funds to go after the more difficult ones. You may even be able to negotiate an expense account. Then the jurisdictions can order restitution to be paid by the criminal back to the courts. thereby effecting the criminal paying for thier own captures. I would even go so far as to suggest to these smaller jurisdictions that they require inmates, as a condition of pre-trial release, to sign basically a pre-trial release contract similar to that of a bondsman's. The contract should contain some of the following: a waiver of extradition, agreement to restitution for all fees incurred for thier re-arrest, permission to enter any residence they occupy, a reference section with correct and valid references(at least 5 non-relatives), permission to run credit reports, permission to obtain medical records, etc. This goes a long way in reducing your liability as the bounty hunter. These are just my own ideas. Others will voice thiers as well, and hopefully a collection of wisdom will grow and assist you in your query. |
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| Author: | Steve_Hedrick [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 16:05 ] |
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Although your SPELLING is not the BEST, I think I know what you are posting. IF you want to BUST meth labs, you can become a SNITCH/INFORMANT and work with your local LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies. This pays pretty good around here in SE TX and keeps our local crack whores in spending money. |
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| Author: | mark cavendish [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 17:33 ] |
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Mindtracker thank you for the information. I will go armed with it to the meetings they have set up in the near furture. Mr Hedrick, the plan has the support of the State of Arizona. It 's aim is to keep the dealers from moveing back into to the houses. The numbers are too big for them to cover. They are willing to contract out and pay. I'm sure in the course of following up we would be in contact with all kinds. |
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| Author: | thebishopp [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 17:40 ] |
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Mark, If you get this up and running or have the basic outline of the contracts they (the state) is using then I would appreciate it if you could shoot me the info. If it is something that is working we might be able to get it tried out here in Indiana. |
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| Author: | KARMA [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 18:20 ] |
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Ditto (Don) from me here in Arkansas. Infact I will look into here with our new Sheriff coming into play. |
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| Author: | SpanielPI [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 21:37 ] |
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1 strategy that has been successful in the past on massive fugitive sweeps is to draw as many of the fugitives to a central location at the same time. Now I wouldn't mention this to any of your "clients" until after a signed contract is in place, but you can use the roust once you are ready to go to work. Secure some kind of banquet hall, gymnasium, national guard armory, whatever for a certain weekend day. Next, Send out personalized invitations..real attention getters..party types..bright colours, lots of glitz and sparkle to each of your fugitives. Use whatever gimmick you want..a vacation giveaway, big screen tv, sports celebrities will be featured, whatever you think will draw your particular demographic of fugitive in. The place should be decorated like your high school prom..lots of streamers, balloons, a DJ playing appropriate music for your particular crowd, couple of simulated wet bars set up, etc. A couple of good looking girls dressed as waitresses to serve drinks etc. Then you get everyone seated, you or someone else, steps up to the podium and goes into thier little spill..."ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us in our festivities. Our grand prize is awarded to each and every one of you, that's right folks all of you are winners ! Each of you has won an indefinite stay at our local resort, Pima county, Az. Hilton ! Now if you will kindly direct your attention to the men and women holding guns and carrying handcuffs, they will further guide you on the next step. Again, thank you for attending the first annual fugitive sweep brought to you by Cavendish Enterprises." You get the idea. This way you make 1 hopefully large hall and it saves you time, money, and other resources. Plus it makes you look good to your clients. |
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| Author: | mark cavendish [ Tue 17 Oct 2006 22:39 ] |
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The Arizona Board of Tech. Registration has a web site. with the covered statutes and phone numbers to call. I bet they would fax copies of there pvt. service contracts. As for contracting out of the warrents it's still in the talking/planning stage but all indication is they want to get it off the ground sooner than later. Word is they have a back log of some 7 thousand at this time. I saw that fugtitive sting in a movie. If I try to work that here I would have to do it on a smaller scale. My operation is small. With myself and 2 or 3 on call people. "It is a hell of an interesting idea though." |
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| Author: | SpanielPI [ Wed 18 Oct 2006 01:00 ] |
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I never said it was original...lol The first I ever heard of it is when the movie Serpico first played. This sting is demonstrated in it very well. That's the beauty of it. You can modify it to suit your specific situation. Your ultimate objective in any business is to maximize your profit simulataneously minimizing your expenses. So the more fugitives you can apprehend at the same time, by luring them to come to you, you achieve this objective. |
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| Author: | thebishopp [ Wed 18 Oct 2006 13:05 ] |
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Mark, I fired off an email to the Arizona board and hopefullly I will receive a reply. If you do happen to get the other matter worked out (regarding the farming out of warrants) I would be most interested in seeing the information (ie; contracts, details, etc.). There are many counties here in Indiana that have an overabundance of active warrants (allen county here in Indiana has over 7000 as well) and I believe with the proper ground work it might be possible to encourage a similar endeavor. Awhile back I was given the name of someone who was doing something similiar but after talking to him I got the impression that he didn't want to share any of the info (I think he was afraid of losing money somehow and that I might steal his business, even though I am in a totaly different state). |
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