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Author:  Dani [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 05:36 ]
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Hey everyone,
this is my first post on the Fugitive Recovery Network, and therefor I wanted to briefly tell who Im and ask some questions at the same time.

My name i Daniella, and as my name indicate, Im a girl. I have lived 26 years in Germany and my last two in Sweden. I have had my own firm in the sector of sales and consultant.

Now I want to broaden my horizon, and move to Usa. In that matter I have a few questions. First of all,

Is the Bail Enforcment Industry open for women? Can not recall to have seen any women on this forum, but then again, Im getting old..

Secondly I wonder wich US state is the best and easyest to become a Bail Enforcment Agent in? Or asked in a different way. Is there any state that allows a non US citizen/ resident to become a BEA?

I have read around in here, and got the fact that is both dangerous and much hard work. But then again, its both rewarding and exciting. I want to make a difference, but unfortunately my eyes are to bad to become a police officer, wich also requires me to be a US citizen.

I hope you all could take me a few minutes to reply to my post, and give my other tips or information I could use. Thanks a lot guys!
Author:  Eagle [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 08:12 ]
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It sounds to me that you really need to talk with Mindtracker. I think he could help you. :D
Author:  SpanielPI [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 10:13 ]
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Dani,

It's not a question for "the easiest state". Without proper licensing, training, and mentoring you can and probably will be killed or seriously injured very quickly.

Out of all of the Continental United States, Alabama is probably the least regulated. This is both a good and bad thing.

4 states are basically non- bounty hunting states (illegal to hunt in ):
Oregon, Kentucky, Illinois, and Wisconsin

For a listing of how the states break down specifically visit: www.americanbailcoalition.com

Now bear in mind legislation is constantly changing. Just this year the following states passed licensing requirements: Hawaii, New Jersey; Pennsylvania has legislation pending.

Now regardless of which state you move to, you will have to become a naturalized citizen before anything else. Once you have that done, then you can begin acquiring any and all licenses, permits, training, etc.

Schools: Several times on here schools have been listed. You can also do online courses through Scott Harrell's courses www.bondforfeiture.com

His courses give you a true working understanding of this industry as well as marketing ideas.

Third step then would be to attend and actual Bail Enforcement Academy to be trained in the proper and legal techniques of take downs, batons, chemical sprays, handcuffing techniques, etc.

Fourth step then would be to acquire a CCW. Concealed Carry Permit.

Then BEFORE PURCHASING ANY FIREARM, take a weapons course taught by a LICENSED, STATE CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR OR LEO INSTRUCTOR.
Try out a variety of weapons, calibres, makes and models. See which one works best for you. In some states you are required to take firearms training before a permit will be issued.

It also comes to my mind, where do you want to live ? That will decide your licensing issue for you. Depending on which state you decide to move to, that particular state my have lenient licnesing, no licensing, or very heavy licensing.

For Alabama, you have to be a U. S. Citizen to even obtain a CCW, purchase a firearm, etc.

I hope this answers some of your questions.

Take care and God Bless,

Ruffin.
Author:  Dani [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 11:52 ]
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Thanks for a very fast, and good respond.
So what you are saying is that I can not become BEA before Iam a leagal resident/ citizen? I was thinking of TX or CA, but thats why I asked wich state that would be the best for me, since I need to obtain the propper documentation and papers before moving to the US. I was hoping that some state might allowed me to train and become a BEA without being a US citizen.
Author:  Eagle [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 12:32 ]
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Good job Ruffin
Author:  SpanielPI [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 18:16 ]
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Dani,

To be honest, I have no idea on how international passports, student/work visas etc work. I would consult with the U.S. Embassy closest to you on those issues. I do know that immigrants from all over the world do come here legally for various reasons and do obtain various types of jobs to support themselves while here.

However, the issues that you will face are many and complex; Especially since 9-ll. I know that most governmental agencies are leary at best about allowing non-U.S. Citizens to purchase and carry concealed weapons on thier persons.

Whenever we, as Americans, purchase a firearm, we have governmental forms to fill out and background checks to undergo before the sale of the firearm is approved and released to us. It's not like the old days where anyone could just walk into a gun store or pawn shop and buy a gun over the counter like a loaf of bread.

And, depending on what state you are living in, you may face state restrictions on types of weapons, calibres, makes and models etc. (California for example- banned .50 calibre weapons except for muzzle loaders).

So can you work in this field as a non- U.S. Citizen ?...Yes, you can...but you could not carry any kind of firearm; and again, in some states, it is illegal to carry batons, chemical sprays, etc unless you have the required permits for them...(Ca. again).

Since you are considering California and Texas, you picked probably 2 of the hardest states to work in. I know about Cali because I am in the process of obtaining all of my required certifications as I type this. I have 1 of 3 completed; by the middle of May I will have #2 finished...after that will come #3. So even for a seasoned, experienced professional as myself, I still have to meet California's requirements.

Again, for you, I would seek out a state that has a German community in it, one that has no or lenient licensing requirements, and find someone in the industry to sponsor you as a mentor.

In my home county, Madison county, Alabama, in our Sheriff's dpt. We have a German national female who is a deputy there. She is a professional acquaintance of mine and our paths have crossed professionally many times. So my point in telling you this is that you can do this, but it will take time, perseverance and tons of red tape.
Author:  SpanielPI [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 18:27 ]
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While re-reading the previous post an idea struck me. You would probably do better to come into the U. S. and open a bail bonds business. Then as a licensed bail bondsperson, under our Bail Laws, you would then be legally allowed to hunt your own fugitives.

To be totally honest, there is far more money to be made in writing bonds then there is in recovery.

I also know that our Government assists foreigners with starting thier own businesses. For example, People from India are currently buying up every small motel/hotel in the country; they buy and run our local convenience stores, cigarette shops, jewelry stores, etc. So it stands to reason then that if 1 foreigner can legally buy a local business or start one, then another foreigner can do the same.

You might could find an existing bail bonds business that is up for sale somewhere, purchase it, and there you go.

Now how do you make all of this happen ?...That I don't know. Again I would check with the local Embassy.
Author:  tsuggs [ Thu 06 Apr 2006 19:21 ]
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Well,

I see BIG hurdles to overcome. I know an immigration attorney and if I can remember everything right,

a) You need a family member who is a U.S. citizen as a sponsor or
b) You need to come in on a student visa (which is harder to do because of 9/11/01) and be accepted to an accredited unversity, college , etc or
c) Have a job skill that is in short supply and there is a need and have a employer request you or,
d) Or apply for residency, have proof of employment and go through the 2 - 5 year process.

Secondly, in California you have to be a resident for 2 years BEFORE you can apply to get a bail agent license. Since 2000, you have to complete the POST 832 course, security guard POA Course and the bail agent prelicensing course. All require a Cal DOJ and Federal DOJ(Department of Justice) background check. You would not pass any of those checks any time soon. You can't take the PC 832 course until you have cleared DOJ checks. So, the option of purchasing an existing bail agency in California, is not an option at this time.

Besides, if you write bail carefully and correctly, you should have very few skips to have to track down.

Now Texas is another animal all together. They have local bail bond boards in most counties. The local judge and or sheriff decides who can or can't get a bail license. Also, if I remember correctly you have to have a licensed PI or LEO's perform the actual arrest of a bail fugitive.

As others have written before, more and more states are inacting requirements on "hunters." The days of just anyone chasing down bail fugitives may be coming to and end.

Sorry if this sounds very negative but, there are a lot of hurdles to overcome.
Author:  americanextraditions [ Fri 07 Apr 2006 00:50 ]
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ruffin you da man...jay you too...lol
Author:  Dani [ Sat 08 Apr 2006 05:35 ]
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Ok, this might seem like a silly question, but I have not found the answer to it, so stay with me..

Is Bail work allowed in Mexico?
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