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| Author: | tsuggs [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 11:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Coming To A New Car Near You |
So, maybe it is a bit Orwelian conspiracy in thinking but have we gone too far? http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA639.html |
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| Author: | SURETYRISKMANAGEMENT [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 11:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
I don't like how that sounds one stinkin' bit! Thanks for sharing that, Tony. |
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| Author: | tsuggs [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 16:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
On the other hand, if we as bail / bail recovery agents can get a court to issue an order giving us the access to the car data recorder, we may be able to track skips that way. It will probably have to be included in the bail bond contract. |
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| Author: | Mdbtyhtr [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 17:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
You would have to gave physical access to the box. Scott |
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| Author: | tsuggs [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 17:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
I think true system like Onstar, which most of the new cars will have, even if it is not activated, you could be able to access it remotely, maybe. |
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| Author: | RCrew [ Thu 13 Dec 2012 22:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
As someone that has investigated numerous accidents for auto insurance companies, the fact is, most vehicles built since 2003 and some as far back as 1997 already have a small computer that monitors numerous vehicle parameters (speed, acceleration, application of braking system, airbag deployment, etc.). Toyota and Ford were the first manufacturers to do so. Some only record for 7 seconds while others record for 30 seconds. And the information is available to both law enforcement as well as authorized insurance investigators. If an individual tampers with or alters the device, the vehicle computer will disable the vehicle. This computer does not actually track where a vehicle has been but I should imagine that only a few minor adjustments or additions would cause it to be able to do so. |
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| Author: | tsuggs [ Fri 14 Dec 2012 09:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
I've heard of car rental companies charging people extra because they took cars out of state or even out of the country and were tracked by the on board gps unit. Even heard of them adding a surcharge for some going over the speed limit. It is no more different than a gps ankle braclet used to track a person. |
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| Author: | Mdbtyhtr [ Fri 14 Dec 2012 15:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
They have monitors that plug in to the OBD II data feed to sVe you money on insurance. The principle works, when you know you are monitored, you behave accordingly. Buy here, pay here lots use GPS on their vehicles to repo them when you miss a payment. All if the above is agreed to by contract. Scott |
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| Author: | tsuggs [ Fri 14 Dec 2012 18:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20050823.html If the US government is requiring the gps units in all new cars, I am sure that they will have 2 way capabilty to monitor the car live. So, it all comes down to who will have access to that data or tracking. And we all know that our government will never abuse that power. |
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| Author: | tsuggs [ Fri 14 Dec 2012 19:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Coming To A New Car Near You |
So, This rule is part of a Senate Bill S1813 sponsored by CA Senator Barbara Boxer. It passed the Senate and is on the way to the H of R. It is part of a 1676 page bill loaded with all kinds of stuff, some not related to highway safety. The section regarding the Event ata Recorders is below. Its a long read but worth it. this how your governement sneeks stuff pass its citizens. SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS. (a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders- (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part. (2) PENALTY- The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations-- (A) shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code; (B) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and (C) shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title. (b) Limitations on Information Retrieval- (1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed. (2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless-- (A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding; (B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle; (C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or (D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash. (c) Report to Congress- Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include-- (1) the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders; (2) the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record; (3) the additional safety benefit such information would yield; (4) the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements; (5) an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy; (6) a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder; (7) an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks. (d) Revised Requirements for Event Data Recorders- Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule-- (1) shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover; (2) shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format; (3) shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and (4) may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis. (e) Disclosure of Existence and Purpose of Event Data Recorder- The rule issued under subsection (d) shall require that any owner’s manual or similar documentation provided to the first purchaser of a passenger motor vehicle for purposes other than resale-- (1) disclose that the vehicle is equipped with such a data recorder; and (2) explain the purpose of the data recorder. (f) Access to Event Data Recorders in Agency Investigations- Section 30166(c)(3)(C) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by inserting ‘, including any electronic data contained within the vehicle’s diagnostic system or event data recorder’ after ‘equipment.’ (g) Deadline for Rulemaking- The Secretary shall issue a final rule under subsection (d) not later than 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act. |
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