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Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartments.
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Author:  Ron [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 11:31 ]
Post subject:  Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartments.
Just a quick question.

Let's say that you and an assistant are walking to the door with your clients registered address and the landlord refuses to let you knock and demands the police be present; and while waiting for the police two drunken neighbors start threatening you and creating a scene. Do you leave or wait for the police?
Author:  NYPD BLUE [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 12:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
It depends on the situation..

I usually call the Police ahead of time to notify them .. 8 outta 10 times the Police come to the scene 1 block away to meet with us ..we brief them on the fugitive and charges.. and they usually roll in behind us... and we go about our business, if the defendant is in the location address on the Bond Application.. and refuses to open the door or come out...then we take the door down.. or break a window to gain access..or whatever the situation at the location calls for..

The landlord in this case would be told of the situation.. and informed to step back and not interfere.. as for the 2 drunk neighbors and a landlord.. and if its only you and one other agent and the police are on the way .. wait for the police.. then have the police deal with the 2 drunk idiots and landlord then if your guy is inside and refuses to come out then take the door.. and go get your defendant..
Author:  DSI [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 12:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
There is no bail pick up that is worth your personal safety, drunken people are unpredictable and therefore a safety risk. If the landlord says that you must leave the property, then you leave and wait for police outside. Staying after being told to leave makes you a trespasser and subject to criminal charges. Let’s not forget you get more done with a low impact approach.
Author:  speezack [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 12:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
DSI wrote:
There is no bail pick up that is worth your personal safety, drunken people are unpredictable and therefore a safety risk. If the landlord says that you must leave the property, then you leave and wait for police outside. Staying after being told to leave makes you a trespasser and subject to criminal charges. Let’s not forget you get more done with a low impact approach.


Now that, is good advice and the bottom line..... thanks Gene...
Author:  RCrew [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 12:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
Also, keep in mind that, unless your subject owns the apartment building, it is a 'third party residence'. Many states have laws that prevent you from forcing your way into a third party residence. Always know the laws of the area you are working!
Author:  Gardul [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 16:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
DSI wrote:
There is no bail pick up that is worth your personal safety, drunken people are unpredictable and therefore a safety risk. If the landlord says that you must leave the property, then you leave and wait for police outside. Staying after being told to leave makes you a trespasser and subject to criminal charges. Let’s not forget you get more done with a low impact approach.


Good advise right there. I personally think some one should put that up as a sticky some where. maybe a good advise posting or something. /end babbling..
Author:  NYPD BLUE [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 16:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
Gardul wrote:
DSI wrote:
Staying after being told to leave makes you a trespasser and subject to criminal charges. Let’s not forget you get more done with a low impact approach.


Good advise right there. I personally think some one should put that up as a sticky some where. maybe a good advise posting or something. /end babbling..


In Florida Not Even the Security that Patrol the Private Property of Complex's can tell us to leave nor can the Police.
Author:  Mdbtyhtr [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 19:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
I want to address this from a different perspective...What was it about your presentation that caused the landlord to address you at all? Because of the transient nature of our clientele, and to practice what I preach "Low Impact" fugitive recovery, I approach the land lord first to verify that our subject still lives there. The approach is generally "To coordinate and respect your residents..." I have been refused a few times, but am often introduced to onsite security, which is often off duty LE, and we quietly accomplish our task. Further, maintenance guys and regular security people will fall over backwards to give you information.

Best of luck!

Scott
Author:  Gardul [ Tue 09 Aug 2011 20:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
Mdbtyhtr wrote:
I want to address this from a different perspective...What was it about your presentation that caused the landlord to address you at all? Because of the transient nature of our clientele, and to practice what I preach "Low Impact" fugitive recovery, I approach the land lord first to verify that our subject still lives there. The approach is generally "To coordinate and respect your residents..." I have been refused a few times, but am often introduced to onsite security, which is often off duty LE, and we quietly accomplish our task. Further, maintenance guys and regular security people will fall over backwards to give you information.

Best of luck!

Scott


Being a security officer myself as a day job. I would give up that info in a heart beat. That is of course you acted professional and so forth. Basically what it boils down to is, one less screw ball I have to do with on my shift XD
Author:  Ron [ Wed 10 Aug 2011 08:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Dealing with landlords and people in neighboring apartme
Mdbtyhtr wrote:
I want to address this from a different perspective...What was it about your presentation that caused the landlord to address you at all? Because of the transient nature of our clientele, and to practice what I preach "Low Impact" fugitive recovery, I approach the land lord first to verify that our subject still lives there. The approach is generally "To coordinate and respect your residents..." I have been refused a few times, but am often introduced to onsite security, which is often off duty LE, and we quietly accomplish our task. Further, maintenance guys and regular security people will fall over backwards to give you information.

Best of luck!

Scott


Low Impact?

It doesn't get lower. A lot of times I show up using a cane with my pepper spray and cuffs in my fanny pack. (Years ago doing undercover security I learned that a wooden cane makes a great defensive weapon and people usually write you off as a threat). When the police show up and someone is threatening a guy with a cane, they are automatically on the cane guy's side. :lol:

However on this day I didn't have the cane - just the fanny pack and a terrible limp.

The landlord was in a foul mood and took it out on us. The others were simply drunks itching for a fight - this is number of multi family dwellings 1/2 a block from two seedy bars.
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