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| Author: | renegadejr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 12:43 ] |
| Post subject: | "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
ive been hearing a lot from people that the "guard card" firearm permit isnt valid in ca for bail enforcement.. by boss says BS... something about a law that had a "sunset" after jan 2010.. pretty sure my boos knows what hes talking about.. just curious |
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| Author: | renegadejr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 12:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
sounds like a stupid question after i read it. |
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| Author: | Mdbtyhtr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 13:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
I will defer to the CA agents but what your boss is referring to is the requirement of PC1299 compliance was sunset at the last legislative session. This means that there are no longer any requirements for certifications for fugitive recovery in CA. However, do not be a fool, the training, which is still being offered, may save your life. It is also a far stronger defense to legal actions taken on your part that you have been trained, if not to the former standards. You need to obtain training from a recognized professional in CA if that is where you intend to operate. I would be leery of a boss that is not concerned with training or one that allows you to play fast and loose with your training. Check out http://www.adventuretrades.com You also might want to seek out a mentor in CA, they are on here, and offer to work for free until you are an asset and not a liability to yourself or others. Best of luck, Scott |
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| Author: | KARMA [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 14:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
Well said Scott |
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| Author: | renegadejr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 14:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
thanks scott- im working for my uncle so hes had me go through all the proper channels.. any advice for a new recruit? |
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| Author: | AcaciaCon [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 15:42 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
The exposed gun card has no use as a BEA. It only applies when working for a PPO as a uniformed security guard with a badge and a patch on each shoulder identifying you as such. As a BEA in California, you will be carrying your firearm in accordance with PC 12031(k) Quote: (k) Nothing in this section is intended to preclude the carrying of a loaded firearm by any person while engaged in the act of making or attempting to make a lawful arrest. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.html Just make sure you have all your ducks in a row so that your arrest doesn't become "unlawful" and thereby also put you in violation of 12031. |
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| Author: | Mdbtyhtr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 16:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
Demian, Haven't there also been issues with how far you are from your target location before you strap your weapon on? My understanding is that it is purposely vague and that can be to your peril. Scott |
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| Author: | RCrew [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 16:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
As Demian stated, your "guard card" exposed firearms permit is not valid in fugitive recovery work here in CA. This was noted in a letter from the California Attorney General a few years ago. And as Scott said, the laws pertaining to when you can strap on your weapon prior to apprehension are quite vague. When making my notice to law enforcement (per the old PC1299 laws), I always advise them how many of us are there, that we are armed and a description of the clothes we are wearing. When carrying exposed, I never put on my weapon until I am in the near vicinity of the area we are looking. If I am carrying concealed (must have CA state issued CCW), I also notify law enforcement that I am doing so. |
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| Author: | renegadejr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 16:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
what if im walking to my car from the office and i see the guy... |
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| Author: | renegadejr [ Fri 24 Sep 2010 16:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "guard card" firearm permit not valid in ca? |
and isnt it a misdemenor charge anyway.. even if concealed.. |
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