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Author:  barkinshark [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 14:02 ]
Post subject:  Are you kidding me !
What is going on with people wanting to become BEAs? O' so many of you don't know what you want and try to convince wouldbe employers of your dedication and silly a-- qualifications. Yes, thats great your prior military with special skills, me too! Its not just those who are prior or current military that sound alittle to hard core! When those of you seeking a BEA job list your "quals", please tell me what being skilled in military heavy weaponry and chemical warfare has to do with Bail Enforcement. Or the one gentleman who is highly skilled in karate! Sorry to have to call you out like that but I think it should be brought to peoples attention. To many of you are putting out qualifications that have little or nothing to do with the job, or are alittle to extreme. I think your looking for the local militia, there ----> that way! Serious people, before you list your quals and put out attempts that your the most dedicated and serious student out there first take a look at what others have listed about themselves, then form your plea with a side of PROFESIONALISM! :wink:
Author:  rex [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 15:01 ]
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barkinshark,

I can be a little slow on the uptake sometimes, so I don't know that I'm following your point all that well.

Would you please clarify your position and quantify your findings?

Thanks,

Rex
Author:  ChuckJ [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 16:12 ]
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I have encountered many people over the years who "thought" they wanted to be a BEA, they were very eager in the beginning but quickly fizzled out when they discovered most cases don't get cleared in one trip and that the skips friends or relatives can treat you like dirt and you can't cuff and stuff them like the Police, so you have to take it, the average case involves boring surveillance, hostile people and sometimes snarling dogs, those who are not called to this job are quickly driven out by it's downfalls, thats why if a newbee that checks out clean wants to go out on a case I'll bring him along so he can decide if this is really what he wants to do before becoming too invested in something he doesn't fully understand.

As far as people listing what they feel are applicable qualifications I see no problem with that, Military experience even if unrelated does reflect positively on ones character and having martial arts training could certainly be helpful when subduing a resistant subject.

Barkinshark you should be careful about referring to a persons Military qualifications as silly, people interested in BEA work should be encouraged to ask questions and tell us about themselves.
Author:  Mr Personable [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 20:25 ]
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Thank you Mr. Jordan, as I am one of those "Military personnel" that was a weapons person, but also a Military Police NCO, anti-tank/personnel explosives ordinance........ blah blah blah..... and your right... those have absolutely NOTHING to do with being a BEA. But I'll tell you this.. I wouldn't trade one second of the discipline or the training I've endured through the Marine Corps for anything in the world.

I became interested in BEA work when a friend of mine asked for some help in tracking down a skip and bringing him into custody. I was "semi-interested" from that point on. That was 3 years ago and still enjoy the challenge of hunting down the ones that fade into the background. I don't do this job for money, god knows I've spent enough of my own hard earned cash doing this job, but the rewards that I find are the ones that alot of people don't usually look at........ the challenge. I don't always wear jeans or shorts, t-shirt and tennis shoes, sometimes I wear my city camo pants with black t-shirt and black military style cover and spit shined leather military style boots, and on those rare occasions..... the dreaded dress shirt, tie and slacks with a pair of nice dress shoes....... depends on the situation I'm in at the moment as to my attire for the day.

I believe that there are some "wanna-be" BEA's, or those that are calling themselves recovery agents with little or NO certifications, to each his own. I know that I'm not as experienced as LAW or even half the awesome people that do this job..... but when I do go out looking for the ones I'm contracted to look for, I'm professional in my demeanor, unlike a few that I have run into or seen on some TV show. No, I don't have all the fancy bells and whistles some people do, no I don't have the college degree, or years of LE experience that some do, but at least I don't go bashing others that I know absolutely nothing about in a public forum.
Author:  HoundDog [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 21:11 ]
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I like Rex had a hard time getting the gist of what he was trying to say. Almost all the people associated with my company are former military or former law enforcement and I am proud to have them on board with me. These individuals I do not have to worry about, they have alot of discipline and professionalism which is what I am looking for when it relates to this business.

I also have a couple (2) of them that have their own Dojo's and am greatful for them also, so I am not sure why someone would put these type of qualifications down when they are more skilled at handling hazardous situations than most.
Author:  DMARTZ [ Wed 14 Sep 2005 22:35 ]
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Barkinshark,
I don't post here as much as some of the members but anyone who knows me i tell it like it is and i don't sugar-coat anything. Your post is one of the dumbest posts i have seen in a while. For one do you hire any Bea's are you even in the business. What qualifies you to make a judgment on qualifications or certification for employment in this field, I believe i read somewhere that you went through Seal's Training if this is indeed true the most important thing you learned was two words (TEAM MATE). This is one reason we will talk to Military People. Weapons Training ( This is a no Brainier). and i could go on and on. Military Training of a special M.O.S can give an employer an insite to a persons talents or one's strive to learn and take the extra step.

I for one would not even talk to a person who was a tinker bell in tights, a master of Play Station 2, or a master of the computer keyboard on the forums. What would be your Qualification for a Team Member if i may ask.
Author:  HGUNNER [ Thu 15 Sep 2005 08:09 ]
Post subject:  quals
here is what i use as a guide--former leo (WHY DID THEY GET OUT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ALSO VERY IMPORTANT) includes c.o. or p.o.
ex military (M.O.S. IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT)
ex firefighter or ems personel
ex repossession agent
ex or current pi

these jobs are not in any order--but are important for me to see on a resume---now most important here is the reasons i like to see these jobs on a resume
these proffessions require a disapline and a way of thinking--i can teach policy and procedures , skills, laws but it is harder to instill disapline and reaction to events--most of the above jobs have done that for me--i agree they are not the only thing to count but are a good starting place for me to look at
Author:  SpanielPI [ Thu 15 Sep 2005 08:39 ]
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Any type of training, whether it be military, leo, martial arts, etc is beneficial in our field. The gist, Mr. barkinshark, is D-I-S-C-I-P-L-I-N-E !

That's what the others have been saying in thier own words. The ability to MENTALLY handle verbally abusive personnel, the ability to cope with neglected children in dirty diapers living in a meth lab, the ability to handle and deal with objectionable leo's, da's, judges, etc.

It takes a multitude of skills and talents to do what we do PROFESSIONALLY. The Military is a great place to start. I did it.

No I don't have any great claims to fame...no SF, Rangers, Force Recon, or Seals....I was simply yet prouldy an Army MP.

Do you wish to bash me now as well ?
Author:  rex [ Thu 15 Sep 2005 08:45 ]
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"god knows I've spent enough of my own hard earned cash doing this job"
--Mr. Personable

Isn't that just the truth!

I lost several people during a 60-day dry spell who could not hang with the endless nights of coming home empty handed. You wanna talk about running low on cash? Geez!

The streak got broken on the 61st day with a highly eventful arrest and a sudden closure of the other problem cases over the subsequent two weeks. The people who stuck it out with me are still with me and have some stories to tell.

I get several resumes a week, and, like Hadley, there are certain things that will catch my eye. One of them is a military police MOS. It was 95B when I went through, but I don't know if this is still the case.

One of my team mates is a veteran EMT, and I think this is a great skill to have on the team.

barkinshark,

Once again, it would be helpful if you would please clarify your position and quantify your findings?

Rex
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